Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Daos]

She was kidding about being mafia, Ian. Also don't forget you yourself lied about your role last game the only difference being we believed you.

[ZeldaGirl]

HotD:

1. You say that you don't want to role claim because you are worried someone will check it. Obviously this means you have an important role, and are forced to lie. The odds are highest that this role is either the slasher of mafia. (It could also be a hero though....)

2. You are attempting to scare people into not voting for you.

3. You say you are a townie, but claimed to mafia. Why would you claim to be mafia if you really were a townie?(Wouldn't a true role claim be easier?)

*le sigh*

1. Seriously. SRSLY!? NO ONE WANTS TO ROLE CLAIM AT THIS STAGE! WHY? BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS! BECAUSE IF ENOUGH PEOPLE ROLE CLAIM, ITS A SIMPLE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAFIA FINDING THE HEROS.

The fact that you are so eager for her to do so greatly concerns me.

2. How so? I mean, she hasn't really threatened anyone. Tell me how she's done this.

3. SHE WAS FREAKING JOKING! The whole "hai guyes i'm mafia" was a JOKE.

[Apollo the Just]

thing[/i]. You sit there begging someone (ZG) to present other evidence, JUST IN CASE you're voting wrongly. You're not comfortable enough with your position, with your vote. So why are you voting her?

Well, I WAS voting for her because she was acting extremely defensive, avoiding questions, and just acting suspicious with the Mafia role claim... the grinnie thing was just something I used to portray that I'd had an odd feeling about HotD near the beginning, didn't get any moral support, backed down, got support, and stood up again. That's not actually one of my reasons for voting for her.
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However, Blake... that post... WOW. I'll keep my FoS (for now), but just... wow... I thought Wy was acting odd with his desperate cries for action and urgency to lynch; but after that huge post of yours... I'm convinced that you're either on the dot, or on the right track.

So:

FoS: Wy, SK, Rayman

Hottie, obviously many people are being very suspicious like you; and rest assured that I'm at a point where I'm torn and will be swayed fairly easily between you or one of the three I just FoS'd. But, I have to ask something.

If you're using your 'awesomeness' of last game as a defense, saying that

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But if you were so great at that last game, and are using this as a defense THIS game... and are supposedly watching us, viewing our patterns, knowing us and using that to pick out the mafia... WHY DIDN'T YOU CATCH WHAT BLAKE DID??

You used your head and experience with all of us to pick out who was acting oddly. You viewed everyone's posts carefully and were able to pick out the mafia... so, if that's your excuse not to lynch us now, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT THIS TIME???

Also, last game you didn't really speak out your mind UNTIL you and ZG formed a formidable alliance. This time, you are very bold... is this because you have an alliance with OTHER MAFIA MEMBERS???

-so right now, I'm still suspicious of Hottie, but also of the three Blake mentioned... however, since there are so many players this round, is it not possible ALL or MOST of them are mafia?? I'm sticking to my vote until something convinces me otherwise.


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Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm on right now because the choir orchestra practice thing doesn't start until 7...

[I am nobody]

ZG:

1. One role claim will not make a huge difference. Besides, if she dosen't, she may be killed, and then her role is revealed anyway.

2. YOU WILL HAVE EXPLAINING TO DO ON DAY 2. Maybe not threatning anyone, but still attempting to scare people.

[Daos]

Why are you pushing towards a role claim so much Ian?

[ZeldaGirl]

Ian, WHY do you want her to role claim? If she's the hero? What then? Yeah, you say she can lie, but this time, I have a feeling the mafia won't make the same mistake as before and NOT check (face it boy, you were uber-lucky). If the mafia has the means, no doubt they'll do it.

WHICH makes me wonder about you. You are pushing her - is it possible you have the means to actually CHECK her role!?

I'm not going to argue with you on the second point, its a matter of perception. Point is, I really don't think you're making much sense here.

FoS: (FOR REAL) ian

[I am nobody]

Why are you pushing towards a role claim so much Ian?

Easiest way for her to remove suspicion.

[ZeldaGirl]

^No... just, no. Honestly, role-claiming only makes the MAFIA's job easier.

[I am nobody]

Also, if anyone wants me to I have no problem with role claiming myself. (Other then that it makes it easier for the mafia to find the heros...)

[ZeldaGirl]

(Other then that it makes it easier for the mafia to find the heros...)

*FACEPALM* THIS IS WHY WE DON'T DO THAT! IF THE MAFIA KILLS THE HERO, THEY WIN!

[Daos]

FoS: Ian

[I am nobody]

Alright, maybe role claiming isn't the best path. So how else is HotD going to defend herself?


Oh and:

Fos: Wy and SK

I forgot to do that earlier.

[ZeldaGirl]

The better question is, how do Wy, RF, and SK defend themselves. What Blake has presented is FAR more incriminating than ANYTHING Hottie has done... and bear in mind, Hottie has been their target.

[Apollo the Just]

Ian, please explain your reasoning behind wanting a role claim or I'll have to FoS you. I mean, every time you post a reason to role claim...

Easiest way for her to remove suspicion.

you contradict it.

(Other then that it makes it easier for the mafia to find the heros...)

You're pushing for something that won't even help HotD in any way (nobody believes role claims except the mafia; and then, they can figure out who the heros are), and you say how

I have no problem with role claiming myself.

If you have no problem with role-claiming, even if you KNOW and SAID YOURSELF that it could help the mafia kill the heroes, then WHY, OH WHY are you so for it; even PUSHING it??

I'll require answers or I'll have to majorly suspect you.

[The Missing Link]

Let me also note: Role claiming is also subject to lies, IAN. Example:

Role Claim: I am that Baby Goron who keeps crying crying crying until finally someone comes by and plays Daddy's Song! WAAAAAH!! WAAAAAHH!!

Even if someone happens to be the Baby Goron--thus knowing that I'm lying very directly, that doesn't mean they're evil. They could be Hero, forced into a lie to prevent them from being assassinated. Role claiming can be honest, but don't be deceived. It's not a sure fire thing.

Still mulling.
FoS: ???

[Apollo the Just]

DOUBLE POST:

you know what? I changed my mind.

FoS: Ian

and it's staying there until I get answers.

[I am nobody]

ZG: The don't have much of a way to defend themselves. Blake brought up to much evidence.

CL: I'm assuming that you did not see my last post.

CL again. I already explained this. Role claiming is the only way that I can see for HotD to defend herself.

[Apollo the Just]

Oh, sorry, Ian... I was typing my post when you posted that.

Still, you were all for it, despite knowing the consequences, until we all ganged up on you... I'm not gonna retract my FoS just yet.

[X-3]

FoS: Ian

You want people to role claim THIS early in the game? Sounds like you're trying to make this game easier for the slasher and the mafia. Seriously strange, man.

[Blake]

Of all numbers, my epic post had to be #666!

Theory Reference

Alright, here's those lists:

Fosed Blake List:
ZG
Rayman
Daos
Cucco Lady
Wyborn
Saria Dragon
TML
SK
Tazy
Chunky

Voted HoTD:
Wyborn #1
Blake #3
CuccoLady #4
Rayman #5
TML #6

Voted Blake:
Daos #2
IaN #7
SK #8
X-3 #9

The point of the lists: In case you were lost in the dark abyss of my post. The lists are to look at who did what first.

My theory on the vote list was that two out of five people would be mafia that voted for me(but I changed it to HoTD since she apparently was an easier target)

In this case, since there is a vote record of me, I am inclined to believe that there may be one mafia who voted for me to make their decisions separate.

If you interpret it the same way I do then skip your name if you're one of the first five and then consider the 6th person.

So from these lists I pick out...

Fosed Blake List:
Rayman
Wyborn

Obviously since my whole theory was behind this. What is convenient in my case is that they do qualify in the top 5.

Voted Blake List:
Wyborn
Rayman

Again, convenient for me.

Voted Blake:
Shadow Kirby

I have my reasons to believe that he would cast his vote to split mafia vote.



My explanations are all redundant but I just wanted to apply them to the charts I have.

What's also nice about this chart is that I am one of the top five on the Vote HoTD list. So I should be considered by others which makes absolute sense.

If member one dies on a list, do not consider the 6th person. Consider the first five people regardless of their status, because the idea is that 2 out of the first 5 to take action are likely mafia trying to pick out a weak target.

And then of course, as members die down, cross out the members and see where it takes your suspicions.



And Shadow Kirby, no I did not point out why I shouldn't be voted. The fact is I really don't care because I decided this was my main objective in this round. Shall I be killed, this list will still be around.

And another random theory I have is that chances are probably like 80% a townie/hero is hung because the mafia has to upper hand. They can influence people to vote for weak townie links since there is no evidence that has been discovered yet.

So that is why I am not voting for HoTD today. She can be a slasher, I could be wrong and she's a mafia, but I just don't think a Mafia will die on day 1.