Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Rayman FREAK]

Rayman, HotD is only responding with her own feelings of being an outcast because everyone else continually told her she was incredible in the last game. It's not like she thought that of herself, but she was told innumerable times.

This is an interpretation I did not see. I'll come back to this later, as it ties into another point.

How is she to not feel like that is going totally against her in this game? It's a curse in itself. The Mafia will be instantly threatened by her. The Townies will be terrified that she is Mafia, leading them to their doom.

Why then doesn't she advocate that we forget the last game? Others are advocating this with no negative repercussions (most notably ZG, who has taken some heat for different reasons), and don't forget that Marilink got his head on the chopping block by considering HotD's performance last round (courtesy of yours truly). I don't understand why she's playing the way she is, and this brings me to my biggest point:

Shame so few know me like those three who still hold true to me not being Mafia in this game.

^This. This, this this. HotD, as far as I'm concerned, nobody can play this game with their personal character as a fallback. You have to consider all of the players, meaning the people who don't know you well enough to read your mind. You can be who you are, that's fine (in my opinion, maybe not everyone's), but falling back on your personality to answer questions from players who don't know you well is careless. This is the reason for the first quote. I went back and reread your post, and although I can see what SD's getting at now, I wouldn't have interpreted it that way on my own.

Once again, I take any action that I deem to be careless as a red flag. I'm keeping my vote on you, but I'll let you know that if Blake doesn't respond soon, and doesn't respond carefully, I could easily switch my vote when I'm on next.

Unfortunately, that may not be until several hours from now. I will be back before I go to bed, but my schedule is pretty full until then. I apologize for this, but that's the way it is.

We'll just have to wait and see...

[I am nobody]

^IAN, what exactly makes Hottie more guilty in your eyes than say, oh, Blake?

BTW....

FoS: Daos

She dosen't. If she did I would change my vote. However, attempting to scare people into not voting for you is a tactic used by people who have no defense, like mafia players.

[Heroine of the Dragon]

Wy... you want me to explain lots... how about you tell me what the odds are that one person can get an accurate hit-rate like the one I did last game and it be entirely Luck? You dismiss my explanation about the dossier and the missed PMs to account for the fact that... Hey!! HotD might actually be observant and think in her own faerie way to discover things that others would miss.

...Maybe you're right and I was just lucky... lucky enough to get four Mafia out of Four Mafia... without making a "mistake" and voting off a Townie... say like... Chunky???

You remind me that Mafia will DEFINITELY encourage the Townie to vote off one of their own. SOLELY TO AID THE MAFIA!!!!

So... what's your explanation as to why you are so gung-ho to vote off ANYONE regardless of if you have evidence or not?

What's the rush to vote off a Townie and help the Mafia?

Why would you be so willing to negate Abstain votes? How does that help the Mafia exactly? IF you lynch me, you know what's going to happen anyway... the Mafia will HIT ONE OF YOU TONIGHT... and be thanking you in their secret little hideout for taking out a Townie for them.

Are you Mafia?

Or worse... are you the slasher??? Are you making sure you meet your win conditions by killing off Townies during the Day so you can hunt Mafia during the night?

See... normally these things I'd put in my dossier but you force me to share my thoughts by making me a) Townie target... b) Mafia target and c) Slasher target. You and those few others who keep referring to my "uncanny luck" have made others extremely nervous, and so why would they want me around????

[I hope Kargath sees this... he'll love that I was right saying I am lucky!!! ]

FoS: Anyone who didn't vote for me... you're acting suspicious by thinking for yourselves!!!

[I am nobody]

IF you lynch me, you know what's going to happen anyway... the Mafia will HIT ONE OF YOU TONIGHT

Won't they do that anyway? Stop using scare tactics or attacking Wy to defend yourself. You give no reason to not vote for you, only reasons to vote for others.

[ZeldaGirl]

^^I just want to tell you that I have my own dossier. I'm not saying what's in it, but just letting you know that I'm inspired by you!

[Rainbow Dash]

Hmm. This is getting very complicated.

FoS: HotD and Blake

Blake's acting suspicious a bit moreso, but HotD, using the whole 'I found out most of the members last time!' won't work. This is an entirely different game.

Also, about reserved people being more active: What do you expect? They're more used to the game now, and with this topic being bigger and having more players helps raise suspicions.

FoS List: Wy, Silvy, HotD, and Blake

[ZeldaGirl]

Won't they do that anyway? Stop using scare tactics or attacking Wy to defend yourself. You give no reason to not vote for you, only reasons to vote for others.

However, ian, you know full well that sometimes you cannot just outright say WHY they shouldn't attack you. I mean, can you imagine last game....

Wy: WHY shouldn't we lynch you.
ian: I'll tell you why, I'M TEH HEERO!

...

Logic says that there are things we cannot say even when defending ourselves.

I believe that YOU know what it means to give everyone reasons to lynch "others".

That's what it comes down to - no one, without claiming their role, can EVER give reasons why people shouldn't lynch them. The best we can provide is explaining some of our actions, and then looking for people who have been acting suspicious in OUR EYES. That is all we can do. What you are asking... that's impossible of ANYONE. And you, from last game, full well know that.

[Heroine of the Dragon]

Well, I'm sorry I'm not you, Rayman, and play like a Faerie. Too bad that I am me for your purposes of reasoning that people should play a certain way otherwise they're obviously guilty of the lies being banded about, then, isn't it????

[heh]

She dosen't. If she did I would change my vote. However, attempting to scare people into not voting for you is a tactic used by people who have no defense, like mafia players.

um what

there are 4 ways to defend your self dude

1. Offer someone else As more suspicious then you, and try to get them to vote for them instead, and hope your right. If your wrong, you have to defend yourself again, except now no one believes you

2. Roleclaim a hero a paint yourself a target for the mafia.

3. Scare someone into not voting for them, whether with "We can't afford to lose townies argument" or "We can't afford to lose heros" arguement.

4. Convince people your a townie, which is impossible without proof. You either need someone to prove you are townie with a role of something, or roleclaim a townie which is basically just scaring people with the threat of killing a townie.

this is my admittbly not well thought out theory.

Won't they do that anyway? Stop using scare tactics or attacking Wy to defend yourself. You give no reason to not vote for you, only reasons to vote for others.

way to leave out the the rest of the sentence dude. she just said if you lynch a townie, we lose 2 townies instead of just one.

Not to mention each of those are potentially heros.

[I am nobody]

That Guy: You forogt HotDs "you will have explaining to do" defense.

ZG: Ways to defend yourself without attacking others constantly:

1. Role claim, either real or fake.

2. Explain you actions.

[Daos]

^...that's quite INTERESTING, now isn't it.


Blake was ACCUMULATING a lot of votes... how interesting that Daos chose to change his vote for someone who had NONE. It's that little thing about the mafia splitting up votes so that they don't present a united front... wasn't that WYBIE that was saying that?


Just speculation.

I never said Blake is not suspicious anymore what I DID say though is that there is something about Wy that seems...off. For the moment I'm going to believe HotD is innocent and Wyborn has somehow gotten a mafia role again. Knowing how much damage she caused last time it would make sense that he would try to lead a vote against her. Not to mention it's just a gut feeling.

I know the chances of Blake AND Wy getting mafia parts again are quite low but I have the feeling one of the two is indeed mafia again.

[ZeldaGirl]

1. Role claim, either real or fake.

2. Explain you actions.

1. She does this, and people will either say she's lying and not believe her, or buy it and leave her alone. It's dangerous either way. What if, like YOU last time, she is a hero and fake role claims, and then someone actually CHECKS IT? That's dangerous.

2. SHE HAS explained her actions. Reread her posts, please.

I know the chances of Blake AND Wy getting mafia parts again are quite low but I have the feeling one of the two is indeed mafia again.

You have a feeling one of the two is mafia... but, why change your vote to the person with the least amount of votes. I mean, look at it this way, you're now voting for the person LEAST in danger. You see what I'm saying?

[heh]

3. Scare someone into not voting for them, whether with "We can't afford to lose townies argument" or "We can't afford to lose heros" arguement.

the we can't afford to lose townies arguement includes the fact that everyone gets suspicious of people who voted against townies after the fact.

PS. I don't agree with this arguement, i'm just pointing it out don't put words in my mouth plz

[Rainbow Dash]

And changing his vote back would redeem what he just did?

[Daos]

I actually find both very suspicious but it's Wys constant complaining about the lack of action that is getting to me. Maybe however it's as he says and just thinks we are taking too long. There is still a large amount of evidence against Blake, enough to make me change it back so I will go with that for now. I still seriously have my eye on Wyborn too though.

Vote: Blake

[Rainbow Dash]

DOUBLEPOST: If anything, that would make it more suspicious.

[I am nobody]

the we can't afford to lose townies arguement includes the fact that everyone gets suspicious of people who voted against townies after the fact.

PS. I don't agree with this arguement, i'm just pointing it out don't put words in my mouth plz

That is not the argument HotD is using. She is saying that we will have to explain our votes against her.

[Rainbow Dash]

TRIPLEPOST:

FoS: Daos

[heh]

the problem as I see it with the hotd arguement comes down to this: someone accuses her of something, she explains her actions, someone went BUT WHAT IF and now the arguement is

"well, thats valid if your a townie... but you COULD be mafia, so we need more evidence."

So maybe thats exaggerating a bit, but you people are asking for evidence on day one, when nothing has yet happened and there IS no evidence. I believe HotD has explained her actions more then Blake has.

That is not the argument HotD is using. She is saying that we will have to explain our votes against her.

i'm sorry i didn't spell it out for you, but thats what i just said. You will have to explain your actions if she turns up townie. but you can't, because its day one. you are automatically suspicious and mafia laugh.

granted this is true of any first day vote, but that dosn't make it anyless true.

also that sounded more hostile then i ment, i'm sorry

[Heroine of the Dragon]

*laughs* And you think I am so naive as to role claim??? So... YOU got lucky, IAN, that no one checked your role claim last game... why the heck do you think I'd be that LUCKY, HUH??????

Not on my life will I role claim.

And so you have a hard decision, IAN... will you believe the lies and vote me off as Mafia??? Or are you going to actually believe that I'm telling thr truth?

Daos... scary thought... but VERY COOL!!!