Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Rayman FREAK]

What can I say? I don't buy the idea that she was saying that just to goad me.

You said that nobody could be so stupid as to call for an abstain, which Blake has done, and use that as an argument NOT to vote for him.

If HotD's post really is an admission that she knows who mafioso are, how is that ANY less stupid than what Blake has said? Yet you use it to strengthen your vote.

I agree, it's an incredibly suspicious thing to say, but it really sounds like a goad to me.

Because it was so suspicious a thing to say, I'm actually going to FoS: HotD to goad her on. I want an explanation from her for her behavior, and I want to know why she hasn't given any real defense for herself despite her defensive tendencies this round.

[Wyborn]

The thing is that claiming to know the Mafia is not inherently suspicious in and of itself unless you consider context. This context makes sense for the claim, especially if she's Mafia and trying to echo what she did last round.

Let me think a minunte....I'll post again in a bit.

[Heroine of the Dragon]

Excuse me. How am I avoiding your accusation? I answered it appropriately and completely.

[Wyborn]

Excuse me. How am I avoiding your accusation? I answered it appropriately and completely.

If that be the case then you are Mafia. There are only two possible scenarios here.

1. You are avoiding my accusation.

2. You are telling truth and using levity to hide in plain sight.

Either of these scenarios merits putting your neck in the noose.

[Heroine of the Dragon]

What more can I add, Rayman? It took me over an hour to write up the last defensive post aimed at everything... and if that's not good enough for Wy because I was sooooooo good last round that EVERYONE and their ShyGuy keeps mentioning it, then sorry.

I'm past being defensive. If you think I'm Mafia (I did confess, after all... and who knows if I decided upon getting all defensive just to change tactics and play differently after all???), then do what you think is right. You can only kill one Townie by lynching... or one Mafia. And, unfortunately for you all, you have TEN more people to convince that I'm not nuts but am actually evil!!! *giggles*

[Rayman FREAK]

The thing is that claiming to know the Mafia is not inherently suspicious in and of itself unless you consider context. This context makes sense for the claim, especially if she's Mafia and trying to echo what she did last round.

I guess that's fair reasoning. I still think it's a goad, but I'll wait for your next post (and for a legitimate one from HotD, which could take a while).

[Wyborn]

I guess that's fair reasoning. I still think it's a goad, but I'll wait for your next post (and for a legitimate one from HotD, which could take a while).

See my previous one. Her claim to be Mafia is either avoiding my question or an honest question that results in her hiding in plain sight.

Neither of those is acceptable.

[Heroine of the Dragon]

What question, Wy? I'll answer it 'again'... if you can be bothered telling me what I missed...

[Wyborn]

What question, Wy? I'll answer it 'again'... if you can be bothered telling me what I missed...

Fair enough: not a question, an assertion. I will now phase it as a question.

How could you figure out who the Mafia is this early into the game?

[ZeldaGirl]

I bet you that Crav, having such an amazing sense of humor, made our lovely and happy/smilie missy the evil,psychotic, sociopathic slasher.





...actually...

[Cravdraa]

That I can actually comment on. All roles in the game were assigned randomly. It's the only fair way of doing it.

[Wyborn]

I bet you that Crav, having such an amazing sense of humor, made our lovely and happy/smilie missy the evil,psychotic, sociopathic slasher.





...actually...

...My point here is that I asserted that she could not possibly know who the Mafia is.

By way of explanation she "confesses" to being Mafia herself.

This can be seen as one of two things:

1. Avoiding the assertion altogether with a lame joke, suspicious in and of itself.

2. Actually confessing and hiding in plain sight.

Neither of those possibilities is acceptable.

[The Missing Link]

o_o;;; Geez, you people are not kind to the working class. Let me catch up to speed here.

RE: Marilink -- To me, this just sounds like he's basing assumptions on power players who were Townies last time because their odds are "higher" this time of being Mafia whereas Wy's odds of being a Townie are "better". The logic is very much flawed in that, but that doesn't mean that it's a wholly irrational argument. I read it through extremely fast (since you guys ADDED four whole pages to what I thought I would have to read when I got home), so I might have missed something in that whole process.

However, what's his purpose? To prevent consensus based upon people who he believes have a greater chance of being Mafia. That's not necessarily an ignoble deed. Of course, he could be Mafia trying to lead us into hanging an innocent, but there were far better people he could've used to achieve those ends.

In short, his logic is incorrect. But suspicious? Not more than some of the recent developments.

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I find this very suspicious, but not for the reason everyone else found. Given the sheer number of people that made mistakes today, the odds are rather low that every single person who made a mistake was Mafia. I'm assuming that's his intention... or either that or this is a really dumb mistake.

For me, the proof is in the proposal of abstaining despite the number of mistakes and errors--mine included. Given how many people have screwed up, each of them getting some level of suspicion--some of them with that currently, maybe this is just some fuzzy math, but the odds of finding a Mafia member or the Slasher might be close to 50-50 at this point. Abstaining despite "decent" odds seems to be a silly notion. There's suspicion in the air; we've got 25+ pages of suspicion out there! I don't see why we should waste it.

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You're kidding me, right??? So, you're trying to intimidate me into NOT speaking...? I have to wonder why, Wy??? I haven't said anything noteworthy that anyone would have listened to that would affect their thinking... but you're welcome to show me where I'm wrong there.

HotD, that's a huge mistake. I'm not 100% certain I'm completely down with Wy as to why he suspects you, but this quote certainly makes me raise my eyebrows quite a bit. This is a VERY emotional argument that you're using to try to reflect our opinions back onto Wyborn... and for me. I've chewed on that; I'm not going to swallow... You're acting far more suspicious with Wy is now, that quote being the crux for me.

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ZeldaGirl: I don't for the life of me understand Zant Ten's line of logic on this one, but your reaction isn't going to disuade him from his FoS. While we (this encompasses more than just you and I, mind) might have "cleared things up," I don't for a moment think believe that my mistake didn't hurt my overall credibility. You defended yourself with tooth and nail to a simple (albeit strange) FoS. I would reckon part of this is due to things starting to congeal into place with Wyborn's vote, but that defense is extremely hasty and doesn't look good.

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CuccoLady: I know someone echoed my suspicions about you a while back, which makes me certainly feel that I'm not crazy here! However, I think there are bigger issues here than the ones I had about you earlier.

That said:

Retract FoS: CuccoLady

: HotD, Blake, ZeldaGirl

[ZeldaGirl]

^It was just a joke, mister.

That was for Crav...

[Rayman FREAK]

I guess this'll have to do:

What more can I add, Rayman? It took me over an hour to write up the last defensive post aimed at everything... and if that's not good enough for Wy because I was sooooooo good last round that EVERYONE and their ShyGuy keeps mentioning it, then sorry.

I'm past being defensive. If you think I'm Mafia (I did confess, after all... and who knows if I decided upon getting all defensive just to change tactics and play differently after all???), then do what you think is right. You can only kill one Townie by lynching... or one Mafia. And, unfortunately for you all, you have TEN more people to convince that I'm not nuts but am actually evil!!! *giggles*

You must understand that there are, as of yet, no two people in this topic who share exact views and suspicions. To that end, I just don't know why you're making yourself out to be nuts. If you're going to be confusing and talk about everything in such a roundabout way, why should the town bother keeping you in the game? I'm dumbfounded as to why you (or ANYONE) would play this part.

All I can really deduce from this is that you almost certainly are not a hero. I can't imagine a hero putting him/herself in such danger. I'm personally so confident of this that I'm beginning to think we really should just hang you. Certainly we don't want to hang a townie, but I would sleep soundly enough tonight knowing we didn't kill a hero.

I am pretty damn close to voting...

[Heroine of the Dragon]

*laughs* Where did I assert that I know who the mafia is?

I'm sorry. I know that's very rude to answer a question with a question but I will rectify that soon. I just need to go back a few pages and see what I actually wrote.

Well, at least I'm starting to work out who the real Mafia is now...

SEE that word "starting"... it means, a beginning...as in, not yet complete but at least a word has been printed on a blank page. I'm all about collecting evidence. I did nothing of the sort as to arrogantly claim I know any Mafia... well, other than myself when I confessed my true role. But I've been deserted by my fellow Mafia for they now claim I'm a loose cannon and will not have anything to do with me. That's all your fault!!!

[Wyborn]

That in itself is just attacking the semantics of my statement. The implication here is the same: you cannot be piecing together who the Mafia is yet. Too much contradictory behavior.

My vote stands, my vote stands, my vote stands.

Your Mafia "confession", weirdly enough, is as damning as the rest of it.

I'm actively urging a vote for Hottie here, people. It's not going to get more obvious than it is now.

[Blake]

You know Wyborn does state some good points. HoTD continues to defend herself and has been this past day. She could very easily be avoiding us by honestly claiming she's mafia so..

Vote: HoTD

I'm going to go to bed now, but I'll try and post once more around 11 p.m. tomorrow if there's any questions.

[ZeldaGirl]

ZeldaGirl: I don't for the life of me understand Zant Ten's line of logic on this one, but your reaction isn't going to disuade him from his FoS. While we (this encompasses more than just you and I, mind) might have "cleared things up," I don't for a moment think believe that my mistake didn't hurt my overall credibility. You defended yourself with tooth and nail to a simple (albeit strange) FoS. I would reckon part of this is due to things starting to congeal into place with Wyborn's vote, but that defense is extremely hasty and doesn't look good.

That wasn't so much me defending myself as genuinely being UNABLE TO COMPREHEND WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY. I looked at that post for like, 10 minutes, and I could not understand it.

I realize now he wasn't basing anything on EVIDENCE, which is what threw me for such a loop. I reacted somewhat vehemently because I was frustrated that I just couldn't understand what he was trying to say. It was just overall erratic, and I was trying to sift through the post and get some kind of understanding out of it.

HotD, that's a huge mistake. I'm not 100% certain I'm completely down with Wy as to why he suspects you, but this quote certainly makes me raise my eyebrows quite a bit. This is a VERY emotional argument that you're using to try to reflect our opinions back onto Wyborn... and for me. I've chewed on that; I'm not going to swallow... You're acting far more suspicious with Wy is now, that quote being the crux for me.

This is where I'm a bit torn - it is more emotional and out there than what I know of Hottie.

That in itself is just attacking the semantics of my statement. The implication here is the same: you cannot be piecing together who the Mafia is yet. Too much contradictory behavior.

Um, Wy, that's not perfectly true. She can most certainly being piecing things together... I've come to the point where I am confident in saying that I've pieced together who certain people are... so, I wouldn't say that, Wybie.

Does that mean my "piecing" is correct? Hell no. But that doesn't mean I haven't "pieced".

[Heroine of the Dragon]

I guess this'll have to do:


You must understand that there are, as of yet, no two people in this topic who share exact views and suspicions. To that end, I just don't know why you're making yourself out to be nuts. If you're going to be confusing and talk about everything in such a roundabout way, why should the town bother keeping you in the game? I'm dumbfounded as to why you (or ANYONE) would play this part.

All I can really deduce from this is that you almost certainly are not a hero. I can't imagine a hero putting him/herself in such danger. I'm personally so confident of this that I'm beginning to think we really should just hang you. Certainly we don't want to hang a townie, but I would sleep soundly enough tonight knowing we didn't kill a hero.

I am pretty damn close to voting...

The answer to your question is; as townies we should be seeking out Mafia. If we seek them out single-mindedly, then we save each other. But the Mafia (maybe even slasher) will go ahead and vote off a townie and encourage you all to do the same. As Wy says, you're all bound to make mistakes.

I have my reasons for acting this way. Sorry for disturbing you with my strangeness, Rayman!!! Unfortunately, you're not privy to them.