Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #281

[QUOTE="Random User, post: 1580871, member: 35827"]I didn't take you as someone that watches Feminist Frequency.[/QUOTE]

I watch it so I can pick it apart, scoff at it, and get unreasonably upset at views I disagree with and also train myself to maintain objectivity.

#282

[QUOTE="ScottyMcGee, post: 1580191, member: 31048"][SPOILER]
Maybe Snoke is your mother.
[/SPOILER][/QUOTE]
...no.

No.

That's not true!

That's impossible![/voice-crack]

So anyway. I have some thoughts.

Movie was really good. I liked the characters. They felt real. The humorous moments were actually funny, and didn't require a sh*tty comic relief character getting shoehorned in to deliver them.

[spoiler]Kind of glad they retconned the dumbassed 'Palpatine's dead, therefore the Empire ceases to exist' SE ending of ROTJ. Because it's stupid. Clearly the Rebellion would have had a hard slog ahead, one way or another-------like, whether you got Thrawn or Kylo Ren picking up the pieces, there's going to be a bunch of Empire guys left out there.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Bad guys actually did bad things in the movie. Man. Remember how the prequels almost never showed the bad guys doing bad things, so it was hard to care one way or the other? About the first thing we see Empire guys doing is gunning down innocents. Then they blow up planets and sh*t. Kylo Ren seemed like a real bad guy, not just another joker in a black bathrobe-------like, you saw him doing bad stuff (torture, ordering mass executions), he seemed to be just bubbling over with fury and ill intent unlike boring flat who-cares-ass Darth Maul/Count Dooku/Anakin, he had actual character stuff going on unlike any of the prequel jokers.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]They kind of wasted Max von Sydow, didn't they? I remember being hyped when I heard he was going to be in the new SW flicks. A new great-albeit-moldy-oldy actor for the new trilogy--------someone I'd consider today's equivalent of Alec Guinness. And then after about a minute-and-a-half of screentime he's dead as hell. I mean, he did fine, but like why bother. Might as well have just cast some no-talent old hack like Christopher Lambert or Johnny Depp or Michael Douglas or Harrison Ford instead. (Ooh, Boo the bitch. Shots fired.)[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I liked the lightsabre fight. It was really good. Like, there was character stuff oozing through, just like how there wasn't in any of the prequel fights. Kylo fought like an evil motherf*cker, and Rei used Light Side biz. Also Kylo tried to lure Rei over to the Dark Side, which was pretty great. You know, if all anyone saw of SW was the prequels, he might barely know that the lightsabre fights were a battle between good and evil. Aside from the bad guys having red glowswords and black robes and cloven hooves and devil horns, of course.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]What happened to Luke's normal-guy-looking robot hand? Did he get his hand chopped off again? Did the Rebellion run out of normal-looking prosthetic hands? If not, why would Luke opt for a creepy terminator hand, especially if he were trying to train new Jedi guys? Was the sight of Luke's horrible monster hand what set young Kylo Ren on the path to the Dark Side in the first place, or was it his gross beard? I want to know.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Didn't like seeing Han die. They foreshadowed hell out of it. I had a feeling as soon as Han was all "I don't think trying to save Han Junior is the best idea in the world". I mean, they handled it well, it was a noble way to go, trying to redeem your blood and all. Still. Can't say I wanted to see Han get killed. It sucks. Because he's Han, man. Like why not have Optimus Prime die onscreen, while you're about it, or Captain Kirk. Pfffft.[/spoiler]

Valigarmander · #283

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[spoiler]Regarding Luke's hand: I just assumed he's been in isolation for so long that the outer casing weathered away entirely.[/spoiler]

X-3 · #284

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1580985, member: 17381"]

[spoiler]They kind of wasted Max von Sydow, didn't they? I remember being hyped when I heard he was going to be in the new SW flicks. A new great-albeit-moldy-oldy actor for the new trilogy--------someone I'd consider today's equivalent of Alec Guinness. And then after about a minute-and-a-half of screentime he's dead as hell. I mean, he did fine, but like why bother. Might as well have just cast some no-talent old hack like Christopher Lambert or Johnny Depp or Michael Douglas or Harrison Ford instead. (Ooh, Boo the bitch. Shots fired.)[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

That's the plot twist for the next film.

[spoiler]"Luke never did tell you what happened to your father."
"He told me I didn't have a father!"
"No, Rey. I killed your father."
[dramatic music]
"Yeah, I guess that's possible.[/spoiler]

#285

^Man. I wonder if modern-day Lucas could have thought up a twist even that clever.

...so here's an interesting question---------what is canon, these days? I'm not asking about the EU (that's all in the toilet now, for better or worse) (mostly for better, let's be honest); I'm wondering about the movies themselves. Real versions versus Special Editions----------has Disney stated definitively whether Han shot first? I'm curious.

Alright, cards on the table, dammit----------I want nice remastered versions of the real versions on DVD. I bought the damn SE DVDs because they had the original movies in their original letterbox state as a 'bonus feature', and have never put the non-bonus discs in a DVD player. I also got the huge letterbox remastered VHS set from '94 or whatever, the version that prettied the real movies up without adding stupid prequel-ass garbage in. They look tremendous. I want that on DVD, and soonest. Maybe Disney's waiting. (Gods below, but I hope the real SW movies aren't in the vault. What a kick in the fruitstand that would be.)

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #286

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1580985, member: 17381"][spoiler]Kylo Ren seemed to be just bubbling over with fury and ill intent unlike boring flat who-cares-ass Anakin.[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

Really? I thought Anakin was just like that, actually.

X-3 · #287

It was a risky decision to make the main villain the film's comic relief, but it paid off.

YouTube · #288

^^^I think the Han/Greedo scene is the only plot point that was changed in the special editions, rather than added (e.g., Jabba in the hangar).

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

#289

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1581023, member: 18119"]Really? I thought Anakin was just like that, actually.[/QUOTE]

[SPOILER]Kylo does it much better than Anikin. While the latter mostly broods and whines the former destroys the area around him and does a good job of being menacing mask or no mask.[/SPOILER]

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · #290

[QUOTE="Tazy Ten, post: 1581054, member: 19345"][SPOILER]Kylo does it much better than Anikin. While the latter mostly broods and whines the former destroys the area around him and does a good job of being menacing mask or no mask.[/SPOILER][/QUOTE]

I can't say who does it better as I haven't watched the new one yet but fair enough.

X-3 · #291

Kylo's story felt too context-less for me to really get anything out of it. Too human to be menacing too.

Apollo the Just · #292

^ I felt the same way, but I admit it was an interesting direction I wasn't expecting for the villain of this movie.

#293

So. I don't generally like to comment on actresses' physical appearances--------it feels mean and low. But, you know, it seems pretty clear Carrie Fisher put the work in.

Last I saw of her was back in 2008, during a spoken-word engagement on HBO, and damned if she wasn't at least a hundred pounds heavier then.

Like, for all I know she was already trying to slim down even then, back before anybody had the first idea that new SW movies might ever exist. But whatever the case...kudos to her for making the effort, you know? Think she's a damn sight closer to where she was in '83 than Mark Hamill is.

United Nations · #294

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1581331, member: 17381"]So. I don't generally like to comment on actresses' physical appearances--------it feels mean and low. But, you know, it seems pretty clear Carrie Fisher put the work in.

Last I saw of her was back in 2008, during a spoken-word engagement on HBO, and damned if she wasn't at least a hundred pounds heavier then.

Like, for all I know she was already trying to slim down even then, back before anybody had the first idea that new SW movies might ever exist. But whatever the case...kudos to her for making the effort, you know? Think she's a damn sight closer to where she was in '83 than Mark Hamill is.[/QUOTE]
I mean Mark Hamill put in the work too though. He's looking a LOT healthier than he did just a short while ago. Maybe they're workout buds. I hope so.

#295

^No idea. Prior to TFA, I hadn't seen Mark Hamill in anything since 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' (remember when that was Kevin Smith's worst movie, and it was still pretty okay? Times sure change, boy). Mark Hamill looked better back then than he does now, though I suppose fifteen years isn't kind to anyone.

#296

To be fair, Mark Hamil was apparantly in a car accident and had to eventually have plastic surgery. There's a rumor that he only picked voice acting roles because of this.

#297

...Mark Hamill was in a car accident back in 1977, and his two biggest acting roles came afterwards. He broke his nose and cheekbone. It isn't like he got his face melted off with lava or shocked himself with force-lightning or something. For heavens sake.

Apollo the Just · #298

[QUOTE="User Name, post: 1581385, member: 31164"]I mean Mark Hamill put in the work too though. He's looking a LOT healthier than he did just a short while ago. Maybe they're workout buds. I hope so.[/QUOTE]

oh my god i really hope so

#299

^^ According to his word "over the years it's built up into having my face reconstructed with plastic surgery." How many years is unknown, but after his two biggest roles is entirely within that time frame.

Technically, Mark had much greater success in voice acting than in live action only getting roles in direct to video movies and such after his leading role in Star Wars. Which is a much more credible reason... I forgot where I heard that rumor, but it's the internet so whatever.

YouTube · #300

[QUOTE="Booyakasha, post: 1581386, member: 17381"](remember when that was Kevin Smith's worst movie, and it was still pretty okay? Times sure change, boy)[/QUOTE] Nah, Mallrats was worse. Jeremy London was just awful, & he was the protagonist, so we had to deal with him in almost every scene.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"