Also **** Moviebob.
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I kind of missed that. In fact I was confused what "Who killed the world" was about because I'm used to a movie's message being shoved in my face, but overtly slid under my gaze. Jenocide believed that it was criticizing the War Boy's actions directly and I was expecting the main bad guy to have a direct tie into how the world ended and that the question was going to lead to a big reveal. Didn't happen, and I didn't mind it either.Wu-Tang Panfan, post: 1535240, member: 29448 wrote:First off, calling the movie "propaganda" assumes that the movie has a message, and even considering all the "who killed the world?" stuff, I really don't think this movie has much of a message beyond "WOAH LOOK AT THIS RAD **** HAPPENING." The "who killed the world?" just gives us more of a look of the motives of the female characters in the movie and gives them more backstory. If you come out of the movie saying "wow i can't believe how much this movie pandered to feminazis and SJWs" instead of "HOLY **** THERE WAS A DUDE PLAYING A FLAMETHROWING GUITAR ON A TRUCK MADE OF AMPLIFIERS" you probably read way too much into action movies. Not to say these types movies can't have underlying messages but their main focus is entertainment (Avatar might have underlying environmentalist messages but the movie is still more about HOLY **** THE 3D EVERYTHING IS SO PRETTY than it is about saving the planet) and even if you don't agree with the "politics" of the movie you can still enjoy it a lot.
I've never seen more than five minutes of any other Mad Max movie, so I can't say if they reduced his role or not. Still, I think they gave everyone a bit of character from the women Furiosa was bringing to the Green Place to the Warlord's son as he celebrates that he has a dead brother "perfect in every way". It was a very minimalistic plot so every moment seemed to count and I liked it for that.Second, it's a good thing the movie focused on Furiosa instead of Max. I'd be saying the same thing if the movie focused on a character of either sex instead of Max so long as they were interesting. This isn't to diss Max, but he's not all that interesting. He's just a dude driven by survival and haunted by his past. Max is used as a character to see the crazy, ****ed-up dystopian society through, and that's how he works best. And to the critics who say "THE MOVIE IS CALLED MAD MAX BUT IT'S ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE," it's not like this is a rare thing in movies/books/games/culture at all! It's been done for years! Saying that a movie called Mad Max being about another character is false advertising is like saying that Zelda games falsely advertise because the main character is Link. I wouldn't even say Furiosa's the main character. The main character of this movie is the world that the characters inhabit, and the characters simply flesh out the world and add to its incredible detail.
Don't forget that when we're introduced to them they're no better than any other group of scumbag bandits. They're using one of their own as bait so they can rob someone. If Furiosa hadn't announced her ties there's still a chance they might've still been attacked.Third, and this is why I spoilered my argument. Yes, you can see the messages of "Who killed the world?" all over and that might scream MEN ARE BAD MONSTERS to a lot of people. They said this because they were going to go to this perfect utopian society of women. But guess what? THE SOCIETY OF WOMEN FAILED AND NEARLY DIED OFF. There were like what, 6 of them left when Max, Furiosa and the gang caught up with them? And the majority of THOSE women died in the final fight. So if the movie is saying that society would be better if women were in charge, then it doesn't do a good job. If anything it says that there needs to be collaboration between the two.
Also I want to say that I loved how they handled that. They showed this one scene and made it look like atmosphere leading into the next scene. Then the characters say "You passed the Green Place" "Oh, that place with the crows?" and make you remember what would have otherwise been padding? AMAZING.
Yeah, just because Max and Nux don't get high kill counts doesn't mean they just sat on their hands. I would actually go so far as to say that the movie doesn't feel planned. Like, no one is given a set number of "baddies" to kill. Stuff just happens and it keeps happening until the movie ends. I like that about Fury Road. It didn't care about being a movie. It was just a series of events strung together. It didn't try to assemble a higher meaning to it all.Which leads me to my next point, the women play a large part in the movie, but the people screaming "FEMINIST PROPAGANDA" seem to ignore the acts of Max and Nux throughout the film. The women probably would've all died if not for the help of Max and Nux. So to say "this movie has no respect for men" ignores TWO OF THE ****ING MAIN CHARACTERS COMPLETELY
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