Trigun

[Falco53]

^ Dude, you just became one of my least favorite people.

I finally got around to buying Trigun, so I'll actually be able to post something in this topic.

[ssorD]

Originally posted by Falco53:
^ Dude, you just became one of my least favorite people.

Why, because I posted my opinion? Interesting.

Well, since it's 'cool' to conform with popular opinion...

WOW IMG!! O LOVE DUBBED TRIGUN!!! WHO CRAERES IF THEY TACK ON VOICES TEHT DON"T FIT TEH CHARACTER!! HWO CARES IF ART ISN"T MEANT TO BE tAMPERED WmdITH!! READING HERTZ MY BRAIN!!
LOVE FER DUBBED TRIGUN!3221oneone

[ May 30, 2004, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: ssorD ]

[Rattan]

Chill out man. Your really going overboard. Nobody likes an fanatic.

[Wyborn]

Originally posted by ssorD:
The real Trigun=awesome

The dub=****.

No. Several characters - notably Vash himself - sounded better in the dub. The dubbing dind't change enough in the show to make a quality difference; you're merely expressing hatred for it just to seem otaku.

[Rattan]

Its kinda funny he'd ***** about dubs so much since if it weren't for dubs a big chunk of the viewers who watch anime wouldn't be here today.

[Super Shy Guy]

Trigun has a great dub... don't be such a purist.

[ May 30, 2004, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Captain Carter ]

[ssorD]

Originally posted by Wyborn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ssorD:
The real Trigun=awesome

The dub=****.

No. Several characters - notably Vash himself - sounded better in the dub. The dubbing dind't change enough in the show to make a quality difference; you're merely expressing hatred for it just to seem otaku. </font>[/QUOTE]Bull. I hate it when people call themselves otaku. At least I don't use the immature, over-used term 'dubbies' to refer to you guys. I can't be entitled to an un-popular opinion? Just because I say hate the dub means I'm trying to look like an 'otaku'? Um, no-I don't give a ****ing **** what you people think. What if they changed the animation for the U.S. release? People who complained about that wouldn't be labeled as *****y purists. wtf...
And dub Vash sounds like a friggin' power ranger.


"Its kinda funny he'd ***** about dubs so much since if it weren't for dubs a big chunk of the viewers who watch anime wouldn't be here today."

-_- it is? What's funny? I'm not laughing. Just because dubs brought anime to America doesn't mean it's too sacred to form an opinion on.(Or as you so politely put it, "***** about" )


Anyway, whatever-I stand by my opinion. You can't put a mustache on Mona Lisa.

Let's drop this right now, as not to turn it into a me vs. everyone- I mean, sub vs. dub topic.

[ May 30, 2004, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: ssorD ]

[Rattan]

There's stating you opinion, Then you've got *****ing which your posts fall under.

Why, because I posted my opinion? Interesting.

Well, since it's 'cool' to conform with popular opinion...

WOW IMG!! O LOVE DUBBED TRIGUN!!! WHO CRAERES IF THEY TACK ON VOICES TEHT DON"T FIT TEH CHARACTER!! HWO CARES IF ART ISN"T MEANT TO BE tAMPERED WmdITH!! READING HERTZ MY BRAIN!!
LOVE FER DUBBED TRIGUN!3221oneone

Now you could have simply stated you felt that the Trigun dub was horrid and left it there. But no. When someone comes by and contests your opinion, you start *****ing and yelling.

-_- it is? What's funny? I'm not laughing.

Of course your not laughing. Your posts are a joke and the way you try and reinforce them by blowing up at people...such as above...is pretty damn funny. Your entire case that all anime should be subbed is pretty damn fanatical and usually adopted by purists who don't go over to well with general anime fans.

[ May 30, 2004, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: The Keymaster ]

[Wyborn]

Originally posted by ssorD:
Bull. I hate it when people call themselves otaku.

I was using it in a negative context.

At least I don't use the immature, over-used term 'dubbies' to refer to you guys.

The fact that you would even place us in that category based on the fact that we think Trigun in particular has a high-quality dub shows that you border on fanaticism.

I can't be entitled to an un-popular opinion?

You're entitled to an unpopular opinion, just not to screaming and throwing bashing posts around about it.

Just because I say hate the dub means I'm trying to look like an 'otaku'? Um, no-I don't give a ****ing **** what you people think.

You're still required to be civil. So calm down.

What if they changed the animation for the U.S. release? People who complained about that wouldn't be labeled as *****y purists.

That's true. Animation is a vry different thing, though certain visual editing is typically expected for the "cut" version of anime usually shown on TV. If it was shown uncut with those edits, you might have a point. As it stands, you don't, because animation is a much bigger change than the dialogue.

And dub Vash sounds like a friggin' power ranger.

Ironically, you're right - he is played by the second English Red Ranger, if I remember correctly. However, the voice actor fits him incredibly well - it gives a certain lightness to his character in light situations that the Japanese voice didn't have, and a certain despair to despairing situatios. Overall he was just more emotional, believable, and likable in English.

-_- it is? What's funny? I'm not laughing. Just because dubs brought anime to America doesn't mean it's too sacred to form an opinion on.(Or as you so politely put it, "***** about" )

It is actually kind of funny, when you oppose all dubs fanatically just based on principle and then attack us voraciously when we say you're acting out of line - which you still are.

Anyway, whatever-I stand by my opinion. You can't put a mustache on Mona Lisa.

You still have to tell people what it is in English. You're placing way too much emphasis on Japanese voice acting, which is sometimes inferior to the voices given to it by Americans - as is the case with Trigun.

Let's drop this right now, as not to turn it into a me vs. everyone- I mean, sub vs. dub topic.

Don't flatter yourself. You don't stand for subbing against a horde of dubbies, believe me. It's to be taken on a case-to-case basis. Vision of Escaflowne was infinitely superior in Japanese; Trigun is likewise superior in English. It's not complicated, and the fact that you think of us as "dubbies" jsut because we say Trigun had a high-quality dub just shows your own ignorance.

Please behave politely.

[ssorD]

"Now you could have simply stated you felt that the Trigun dub was horrid and left it there. But no. When someone comes by and contests your opinion,"

Falco's post felt more like a direct shot at me. OMG LOL U DONT LIKE DUB TRIGEN I DONT LIKE U NO MORE!212

"you start *****ing and yelling."
There's a difference between *****ing and yelling? Anyway, that was directed at Falco, who had pissed me off. Whoops.


"Of course your not laughing. Your posts are a joke and the way you try and reinforce them by blowing up at people...such as above...is pretty damn funny."

Hm? I blew up at you by saying "what's funny?"
... But I do understand that you interpreted my post directed at Falco as 'blowing up'. Although, at least my opinion of him didn't go down because of his thoughs on dubbed Trigun. That's just weird.
And at least I'm not using any cheap-shots against you, for instance, calling your posts a joke instead of using that time to actually counter one of my arguments.

"Your entire case that all anime should be subbed is pretty damn fanatical and usually adopted by purists who don't go over to well with general anime fans."

I don't recall saying dubs should be destroyed. I just hate them. Fanatical? I think it's worse to completely pave over an element of the show which had already been established, like voices.

"and the fact that you think of us as "dubbies" jsut because we say Trigun had a high-quality dub just shows your own ignorance."
I said the exact opposite. I said I do not think of you as 'dubbies'- Which I said based on the fact that many fans of the original voice acting throw that damn word around so much.


"Please behave politely."
I'm trying to end this inane debate, which is being carried on, and on...let's stop the ****ing debate before this gets locked. It doesn't matter, my opinion will not influence yours, and your opinions will not influence mine. waste of space, let's drop it.

[ May 30, 2004, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: ssorD ]

[Wyborn]

You realize, of course, the mod of this forum likes editing posts more than he likes locking topics. My entire post still stands, and if you don't want to respond to it then you don't even belong in a debate.

And a heads-up: debates are acceptable at VGF.

[ssorD]

Originally posted by Wyborn:
You realize, of course, the mod of this forum likes editing posts more than he likes locking topics. My entire post still stands, and if you don't want to respond to it then you don't even belong in a debate.

And a heads-up: debates are acceptable at VGF.

I've already said this debate is inane, there's no use for it, and although I could go on and on and on, I'm getting sick of it- Debating is okay, but not a completely useless debate that takes up space in a topic of a different subject.

L E T ' S D R O P I T

Don't talk to me like a n00b, as I'm not one.

[ May 30, 2004, 09:10 PM: Message edited by: ssorD ]

[Wyborn]

If you seriously think you can order around other debaters....yeah, you're pretty newbish for this place.

Ah! Here's something else to talk about. Consider, if you will, the psychology of Legato Bluesummers: an uninteresting brick, or a deeply affected psychopath?

[Dolos Ekans]

OK I think I've got something to say now.
First of which is... saying Trigun has a good dub is like saying Michael Jackson has a good album out. No, just no.
Second, there is a reason I hate Trigun. It's because I saw the dub first. If I'd saw the sub first it may be a different story.
Third the voices don't fit the characters. Like Legato. He's always talking like he's better than everyone else in the dub (that's what his voice sounds like) Which is completely contradictory to his personality. Although little Knives with Tai's (Digimon) dubbed voice actor is pretty damn hillarious.
Edit: In case the topic changes this is my opinion as it stands I don't care if I'm beating a dead horse. I had to say something.

[ May 30, 2004, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Da Mage hates Trigun ]

[ssorD]

"If you seriously think you can order around other debaters....yeah, you're pretty newbish for this place."
I don't recall ordering anyone around.
"LET'S drop it."
Not "stfu stop tokin to me lol".
Fine, continue to 'debate', but that might be quite difficult if you have no one to debate with. This is getting stale, and I've mentioned several reasons why.


"Ah! Here's something else to talk about. Consider, if you will, the psychology of Legato Bluesummers: an uninteresting brick, or a deeply affected psychopath?"
Hmm.. I really don't think there's enough information about him for me to answer. What appeals to most people as 'mystery' is more like lack of character development to me..
But he acts so evil.. I don't think he could act like that un-influenced.

[SuperLuigi64]

ssorD, this is your one and only warning: enough with the cursing. I don't care if it's censored out, you don't debate using foul language if you want to get your point across. From now on, wanton editing abounds, and that stands for everyone.

Incidentally, Falco was joking.

And a heads-up: debates are acceptable at VGF.

This debate, seeing as it's about the voice acting in Trigun, is completely acceptable for this topic, if anyone's wondering. I mean, it IS a topic for Trigun [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Gamer Chris]

I don't get why people have problems with dubbing. Unless there is MAJOR changes, lots of editing, and all of that good stuff, there's nothing wrong with it.

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~Gamer Chris

[Dark Magus]

Originally posted by Da Mage hates Trigun:
OK I think I've got something to say now.
First of which is... saying Trigun has a good dub is like saying Michael Jackson has a good album out. No, just no.

... Actually, MJ does have some pretty good albums out.

[ssorD]

Originally posted by SL64 says Jay is a witch:
ssorD, this is your one and only warning: enough with the cursing. I don't care if it's censored out, you don't debate using foul language if you want to get your point across. From now on, wanton editing abounds, and that stands for everyone.

Incidentally, Falco was joking.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />And a heads-up: debates are acceptable at VGF.

This debate, seeing as it's about the voice acting in Trigun, is completely acceptable for this topic, if anyone's wondering. I mean, it IS a topic for Trigun [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]As long as it's not spam.(And about Falco- It's kinda hard to tell when someone's joking on the internet...)

"I was using it in a negative context."

..Yeah.


"You're entitled to an unpopular opinion, just not to screaming and throwing bashing posts around about it."

I don't recall screaming and bashing, except after Falco's post-which was made thinking Falco was serious. >_> Besides, that and some scary asteriks, I've been taking cheap-shots.


"You're still required to be civil. So calm down."

I'm calm. Perhaps "I care zero percent what people think of me, so I wouldn't waste my time trying to look like an otaku as opposed to simply posting my opinion" would be a better wording.


"As it stands, you don't, because animation is a much bigger change than the dialogue."

I have to disagree there-I think dialogue means a lot more than animation. Character development, plot, etc. Granted, animation, if drastically changed, can be a worse change.. It all depends.
I'll admit the Trigun dub didn't change much dialogue. It's the voices that bother me.


"However, the voice actor fits him incredibly well - it gives a certain lightness to his character in light situations that the Japanese voice didn't have, and a certain despair to despairing situatios. Overall he was just more emotional, believable, and likable in English."

I dunno... I think dub-Vash's VA really seems too 'over the top' in light situations, and really, really forced in dramatic situations.

"It is actually kind of funny, when you oppose all dubs fanatically just based on principle and then attack us voraciously when we say you're acting out of line - which you still are."

I don't recall attacking anyone. (the Falco thing was a mis-unserstanding. >_>
I'm the one being called a fanatic because I prefer the sub.
And I definitely do not oppose all dubs fanatically. A fanatic really doesn't have reasons to back up his argument. I actually have valid reasons why I hate dubs.

"You still have to tell people what it is in English."

Can you re-word that?

"You're placing way too much emphasis on Japanese voice acting, which is sometimes inferior to the voices given to it by Americans - as is the case with Trigun."

Superior? For which characters? I honestly haven't heard a dubbed voice I like more than the original. If you can think of one, tell me.

"and the fact that you think of us as "dubbies" jsut because we say Trigun had a high-quality dub just shows your own ignorance."

Have I already responded to this? I can't remember. Anyway...
Did I say that I consider you dubbies? No. I said the exact opposite. Does that mean I put you in the same category as 'dubbies'? No. As I've said, 'dubbies' is an over-used term, so I simply clarified that I wouldn't be using it.
I do, however dislike the Trigun dub very much. I find it vastly inferior to the original.

All the gung-ho guns have the standard "I'm an evil villain! Grr!!" voice, with that evil rasp. Very cliche.

Meryl's voice actor is terrible, it sounds like she's reading from cue-cards. And I think she does dub-Misty's voice from pokemon, but I'm not surrrrre...

Milly sounds like Mickey mouse in the dub. The original voice was also high-pitch, but at least some emotion still got through.

As Da mage has said, Legato's dubbed voice sounds too 'high and mighty', for a character who thinks of himself as a very lowly creature. Not a bad voice, but poorly casted.

Wolfwood... Bleeehhh.... Way too high-pitched and goofy sounding. His voice doesn't fit his personality or looks.

Knives' dub VA is probably the best outta the dub VAs, even though I think it sounds a bittt too friendly. For this reason, I prefer the original.


Regardless of the quality of the dub VAs,(which I think is terrible)The original voices were, as far as I'm concerned, the ones meant to be listened to, and I really don't think anything else could suffice.

[ May 31, 2004, 03:45 AM: Message edited by: ssorD ]

[Erdawn Il Deus]

...I don't remember Wolfwood's voice being high pitched at all???