Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

[Swordmaster Link]

Hm...

I dunno, I can't say I'm convinced of Hotster being Mafia.

[Wyborn]

Hm...

We are now thirty-one pages in, people. On day one.

I'm locking this topic after the end of night 1, Cravdraa can make a new one for day 2.

This kind of response is why I have to kill this.

I know we're all excited and we all need to have our say but this is not a chat topic and this kind of response is neither necessary nor appropriate.

Not singling you out or anything, SML, just damn. Look at all of it. Damn.

[Swordmaster Link]

Well I know I haven't looked through everything, but from what I've glanced over I'm just throwing in my two cents.

[Wyborn]

Double psot:

Wait a minute, you just ninja edited.

[ZeldaGirl]

I don't think he knows about that rule.

SML, you can't edit any of your posts. You may double post, but you cannot edit - you can destroy evidence that way.

I'm willing to believe this is a mistake, though.

[Swordmaster Link]

Oh, yeah that wasn't intentional. Geez, this Mafia thing is way more serious than I thought.

[Wyborn]

Fair enough.

This is my last post of the night. Probably until tomorrow night. Three things.

1. Don't dismiss someone's guilt until you look at the discussion leading up to the votes surrounding that person.

2. People stop treating this like a chat topic.

3. There is no number three.

Goodnight, everybody, and God help us all if I come back to find this on page 40.

[ZeldaGirl]

Well, it's not like SML erased anything, he did, in essence, the same as a double post.

[The Missing Link]

Sorry to keep everyone waiting for me. My cats have been begging me for attention (still are), and I've been working through the math to kill HotD's emotional appeal. (Bloody darn well near forgot how to do this -- oh Math Muse, why did you nearly leave me!)

HotD completely dodged my question... which granted was a rather trivial one, but the "answer" was hardly anything like an answer at all.

Words are somewhat confusing to someone who speaks in Faerie.

Let me take a quote from Shakespeare from this one:

Where I have come, great clerks have purposed
To greet me with premeditated welcomes;
Where I have seen them shiver and look pale,
Make periods in the midst of sentences,
Throttle their practic'd accent in their fears,
And in conclusion dumbly have broken off,
Not paying me a welcome. Trust me, sweet,
Out of this silence yet I pick'd a welcome;
And in the modesty of fearful duty
I read as much from the rattling tounge
Of saucy and audacious eloquence.

HotD, I think I understand your language very well indeed. Simple questions have gone unanswered. Accusations have been met with hostility, even if it is cheery hostility. To me, this looks like the exact opposite of the circumstances with your first bout against Wyborn, only with the tables reversed. You actually seemed to be making logical points the last time... yet here it seems that you're fading quickly into some sort of strange babbling.

It seems the main argument you're putting up is, "Keep me around! I was good for you last time... I can be good for you again!" The point I'd like to make is that none of us 21 players are SO important to the mix that we cannot with without one of them. Look at it: Wyborn is perhaps the most experienced player, and he lost last round. I don't know if it was skill or luck that won you the last round, but if ZG's and Wy's story is true, it was more the latter.

Vote: Heroine of the Dragon
Double Super Secret FoS-ation: Blake

If you want to turn my vote around, I require action. I require words. Babble will just cause the Stone Tower Temple to get turned upside down. (Oh yes, I so went there with that pun.)

[The Missing Link]

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P.S. - I know this is like hours after the last post, but I'm looking back and am not 100% certain I made this clear. This is not necessarily my final vote. Blake is in quite a bit of danger, not just from me, but en masse since his suspicion level is rather high.

I'm rather uncomfortable that Blake very casually dropped a vote for HotD without any explanation that has been sought from him. However, as any Survivor fan would note (yes, I unfortunately watched two seasons of that, back off!), most votes usually came down to Faction X voting for Person in Faction Y against Faction Y voting for Person in Faction X. It's not surprising that Blake is voting with us. However, what is surprising is that he VOTED AT ALL, especially after he said that we should abstain this vote.

Blake, why are you voting HotD? Explanation, now.

[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

I need answers. Seriously.

What good does it do us, as Townies, to vote someone we cannot even begin to prove is guilty of being Mafia?

What good does it do to wildly accuse and vote long before the first day is up?

You claim emotional statements/responses are an indication of guilt. Have you all lost your mind and forgotten that there are PEOPLE behind the faces of this game? That being accused of something wrongly WOULD illicit a response filled with emotion?

Wyborn, you push harder and harder to lynch HotD for half-useful reasons. I AM highly concerned that you're not only willing, but insisting that lynching an innocent is a necessary evil.

In which instance does that aid the Townies?

Also, you are growing evermore irritated-sounding in your posts. Does that mean you're (OMG) Mafia because of an emotional response?

Blake, your vote appeared suddenly, when previously you had been calling for an Abstain vote. Perhaps all the talk from others about abstaining being "A TRUE SIGN OF MAFIA" has scared you into voting. And to blend in as best as you can, you've voted the only person anyone's bothered voting thusfar. Are you trailing behind Wyborn, hoping to blend into the background? Are you good, bad, or in between?

CL, you use silly excuses of HotD being misleading with her grinnies, when everyone and their goddamned dog knows she uses them regardless of the situation. It's her thing. You sit there begging someone (ZG) to present other evidence, JUST IN CASE you're voting wrongly. You're not comfortable enough with your position, with your vote. So why are you voting her?

Props to Wyborn for sticking to his guns, at least. You know what you want, even if it means you kill one of the Townies.

Rayman, HotD is only responding with her own feelings of being an outcast because everyone else continually told her she was incredible in the last game. It's not like she thought that of herself, but she was told innumerable times. How is she to not feel like that is going totally against her in this game? It's a curse in itself. The Mafia will be instantly threatened by her. The Townies will be terrified that she is Mafia, leading them to their doom.

TML. TML, TML, TML. If you'll pardon me for saying so, numbers mean sweet F.A. right now. As I addressed with Rayman, the previous game has put all but a bounty on HotD's head. Instead of just assuming she meant, "oh, well, they're all OBVIOUSLY Mafia again," perhaps you could just take it as an observation.

Perhaps old grudges die hard.

That's right, folks. I'm accusing you of bias. That your egos are still raw from being beaten swiftly, absolutely, completely in the last game.

You put it down to sheer luck, when... well, work with your numbers again, boys. You like them so much. How can one person be that "lucky" that she pings
Every.
Single.
Mafia.

Luck, is it? Let's hope you're all so blessed with her luck this round.

Everyone take a look at ZG for a moment. She got angry at Tazy for being incomprehendible, and yet that can be so "easily" explained away. Oh, so she has a reason. HotD probably does too. Does she have to tell you her reason? No. Looks like it's going to cost her her place in this game, though.

And Wyborn? Really, stop bitching about what people post, and how many pages this has. New topics won't kill you. I might, but that certainly won't.

If you people didn't want to read so much, you should've worked out your precious numbers before joining up and realised that with twice as many people playing, you'll have three times as many posts per day.

Oh NOES, I HAVE EMOOOOTIONS. I'm POSTING THEM IN POSTS. Jesus, get the torches and pitchforks. My innability to see HotD's supposed guilt, my desire to actually stand up for someone who's more likely a Townie, my incredible suspicion of Wyborn and Blake... I'll be surprised if I'm still around by the time I get back online tomorrow.

I AM TIRED, HUNGRY AND REALLY CRANKY.

And I think you're all stupidheads. *cackle*

[I am nobody]

( 9 pages in one night!? )


HotD: You seem to be ignoring questions and using the last game as evidence of you innnocence. Suspicious.

Blake: You are hiding right now. You did not answer the question given to you in a way that makes me less suspicious of you. Now you voting HotD in an obvious attempt to move attention to HotD.


Vote: Blake

Major FoS: HotD

Retract FoS: Everyone except for HotD.

[heh]

9 pages overnight dont you people sleep chirst

More to the point, 9 pages on first day speculation with no real hard facts. Crazy people

I havn't even read them all yet and don't have time right now, but was blakes 'slip up' on page 20 something ever explained?

I think I might vote abstain, I don't like to vote on baseless speculation. Maybe not baseless. But its still speculation.

[X-3]

Holy...crap. 31 pages.

I'm torn right now. My vote and/or FoSes will arrive later today. Right now, HotD and Blake are looking quite strange, to be honest...

[Apiary Tazy]

Ok.

Retract FoS: TML

Lack of evidence.

I have to apologize.

I got too excited.

Now, I'm calm, cool, collected......

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?!
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HotD and Wyborn are shooting it off.

HotD has 4-5 Votes (lost count)

Blake has 2 Votes.

It's a good game a Survivor here.
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Now, onto suspicions.

HotD: Yeah, Why are you being so defensive? It seems like everyone who votes for you is Mafia. However, you haven't said why exactly. I mean, it's not like the Mafia's gonna gang up on you on Day One. Try to explain why you did it calmly and effectively and maybe the voters will vote somewheres else.

Wyborn: You first seemed to be voting HotD out of being angry that HotD and ZG kicked you butts so fast. But, you have a good point. HotD is avoiding the Question, and she's being VERY emotional. Still, You went really fast with that vote, that's suspicious.

Blake: While your points are valid, you did try to pull an abstain, then changed it to Wyborn's HotD vote.

Yeah, I know it's unlikely that these two are mafia again, but that doesn't mean impossible.


Soooo, I'm going to

FoS: Blake, HotD

REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT A VOTE AND ANYONE WHO STARTS SUSPECTING ME BECAUSE OF THIS WILL LOOK SUSPICIOUS!

I may get f**king night killed, but if I can point us in the right direction, then that's all that matters
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Current FoS: Wybie, Blake, HotD

[Microphone_Kirby]

OK. I guess it's vote time for me.

Blake: You never really answered ian's question. What's more suspicious is that you suddenly voted and left without a real explanation or answering ian question at all. Action truly do speak louder than words...

Hottie: You seen innocent to me, but your words look very suspicious, like this for example:

I find it suspicious, too!!!

I know stuff because I am MAFIA!!!!

That raised my suspicions of you, and Wyborn's reasoning seems justified...

But Wyborn: SD's got a point. You have equated that emotion=guilt, and you have shown the MOST emotion wanting to Lynch Hottie. More emotion than Hottie has shown so far I must say. It makes me wonder: Your reasoning is justified to a point, but do you have an alterior motive for Lynching Hottie?

Vote: Blake
New FoS: Hottie, Wyborn

[The Missing Link]

TML. TML, TML, TML. If you'll pardon me for saying so, numbers mean sweet F.A. right now. As I addressed with Rayman, the previous game has put all but a bounty on HotD's head. Instead of just assuming she meant, "oh, well, they're all OBVIOUSLY Mafia again," perhaps you could just take it as an observation.

The numbers I proposed regarding past Mafia and present Mafia have zero to do with my vote. What DISTURBED me was that HotD used the fact that old Mafia members were (and I paraphrase) "ganging up on her" in order to knock her out of the game, as if there was either (1) some nice conspiracy, maybe them being Mafia again or (2) some silly little grudge.

(1) is very silly, based upon the numbers. But you bring up (2) as a possibility, so let me take that one on.

Is Wyborn playing this whole thing off a grudge? He could very well be. However, I don't think it's in his best interest to do so. If he's Mafia (30-some% chance), remember he stated VERY clearly earlier in this topic that he believes that ZG and HotD fell backwards into the correct line of thinking, that it wasn't because HotD was necessarily GOOD at the game but because a few choice things happened to go against him. As ZG pointed out to me somewhere around Page 15, the Mafia is more obsessed about getting rid of Heroes and the Slasher. Nailing HotD out of a grudge? Bad move on his part; I for one think Wy wouldn't do it given his experience with the game.

If Wyborn is a Townie, is acting on a grudge wise? Absolutely not. Our goal is to take care of Mafia and the Slasher. Let's be VERY honest. HotD is being extremely suspicious right now, and everyone in this topic can see it. What isn't 100% certain is whether or not that's indicative of being evil or not. What is doubly uncertain is whether or not Wy has managed to dig out a Mafia member who thought she was very much hidden... and is only laughing about the whole thing because she doesn't think Wyborn's evidence is ENOUGH to convince others to lynch her.

After all, Wy is good at this game as well.

Be that as it may, HotD's defence is not up to par with what I know she can do. "I understand everything, but I'm not going to tell you" lost its lustre in third grade, SD. Replying to my innocent (albeit probing) question in pretty much, "It made sense before, but now it doesn't. Sorry. Maybe you just don't understand Fairie," is her NOT trying to gain allies. At that point, I had not voted... and I had not formally FoSed her. That was a missed opportunity.

If I had to take a WILD guess, I'd say she's acting like the Village Idiot role as mentioned on the Wiki' page, that she's the only one who wins by being hung. However, the existence of such a role is not one Crav will answer, and I can't for the life of me thing of an MM role that wanted to welcome death so readily. So my hunch is she's playing a different gambit.

Speaking of,

FoS: Saria Dragon

Just why are you being so defensive of HotD, hmmmmm? If I didn't know better, your last post looks as if we've tried to OOCly crucify HotD's personal character, and you're stomping mad about this, trying to defend her honour or something! Your tone is vicious, dearheart, and it certainly makes me feel as if you're goal is to smack us all upside the head to teach us a lesson for being such big party poopers...

I mean, look at your reply to me. You started tearing me up because I suggested that this big conspiracy of ex-Mafia trying to gang up on her is ludicrous. The numbers were the least important part of my entire rationale...

But so far, your only major contribution to this topic has been to attempt to remove FoS from HotD. You weren't there when I stepped into the mud, and I'm willing to chalk that up to you not being on VGF at the time, but you also haven't given any opinions about anything else so far other than Blake vs. HotD w/r to Wyborn. Perhaps none of that other stuff is relevant, and I know your online time hasn't been exactly in plentiful supply, but perhaps you'd like to answer the question. And perhaps you'd like to answer the question nicely. Just a suggestion.

I'm keeping my vote on HotD for now. However, I'm still VERY much on the fence, and so long as the day doesn't end, I'm reserving the right to switch it, even if it's only to get a simple majority in the long run.

HotD - Answers.
Blake - Answers.

[Blake]

As of right now I am up to date as far as this post goes. I have work between 12:30 - 2:30 now. I will be home around 3:00 and perhaps can post between 3:30 - 4:00 about this whole situation then. I would ask if there are votes today that none exceed over 8 as far as HoTD or me goes.

Duuuuuble: As far as the 8 votes goes. I mean 8 votes for one of us in particular. Not 8 votes total.

As of right now I am up to date as far as this post goes. I have work between 12:30 - 2:30 now. I will be home around 3:00 and perhaps can post between 3:30 - 4:00 about this whole situation then. I would ask if there are votes today that none exceed over 8 as far as HoTD or me goes.

Duuuuuble: As far as the 8 votes goes. I mean 8 votes for one of us in particular. Not 8 votes total.

Triple Trouble!: I live on the east coast. So times are Eastern in this post.

[Marilink]

All right, HotD, I gotta say, ever since last night you did nothing but make my suspicions of you a little more justifiable.

I'm not voting yet, because I'm not convinced, but I will do this.

FoS: HotD

And yes, this a real FoS. Not making the same mistake twice.

To HotD's questions, back on p23.

There is NO PROOF. It was ME. DOING SOME GUESSWORK.

I explained that. I think your biggest fault here is reading what you want to read, and not what people actually say.

FoS stands.

[The Missing Link]

I'm looking forward to it, Blake.