Zelda Mafia Round 2 Night One (IMPORTANT, REPLACEMENT NEEDED!)

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Post by Apiary Tazy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:47 pm

ZeldaGirl wrote:Oh, I stopped fighting with Wy - we cleared that up. :D

WYBIE - OMFG :lol: That amuses me SO MUCH! I shall use that from now on!



Hmm... Tazy, you're awfully overzealous.

FoS: Tazy

Just returning the favor! :p
o.

Retract FoS: Wyborn

...I'mma regret that, huh?

I bet Wyborn's Majora. and he pwns me.

Oh, Well.

ZG: I'm overzealous because, well, you remember my thing about getting pwned Day One?

Yeah, I don't want to get lynched and put the Townies in a bind.

Lynch Tazy cause he's inactive.

Mafia kill another Townie.

Plus, Mafiamen could try to sway the opposition in different directions. I'm following neither and FoSing both of you.

You both have to prove it to me (without making me read a day's worth of posts :( )

PROVE YOUR INNOCENT, AND IT WILL SHINE! *Acts like Judge*.......yeah, I know, wrong game.

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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:47 pm

You didn't answer the question.

Edit: That is meant for Blake.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:48 pm

How did Ian's victory conditions go against TML's?
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Post by Rayman FREAK » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:49 pm

ZeldaGirl wrote:...ian, wow, thanks for pointing that out, I skipped over that.


...Blake, how DO you know that? The only way you could is if YOU were mafia, and you would know which of your fellow members "messed" up when they posted...


MAJOR FoS: Blake


:D
May I also thank Ian for pointing that out.

What I hope Blake means is that there have been slip ups by more people than there could mathematically be in the mafia (if you go by the math from earlier today). I'll agree though, this certainly looks like it could be a big telltale slip. So much so that I will

FoS: Blake

I will remind everyone that earlier on, Blake was going to just automatically dismiss the past mafia members as suspects in this round. Wouldn't it be so incredibly convenient for him if he is mafia again and if other people agreed with him?

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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:50 pm

It didn't, we have been over that. Blake did NOT answer the question that ZG asked however.

Edit: FoS: Blake

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Post by Apollo the Just » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:50 pm

Yes... dismissing certain people of suspicion is INCREDIBLY suspicious; especially if said parties include onesself.

Not to mention that Blake's defense was vague and unconvincing.

Until he proves himself innocent, I shall do this:

FoS: Blake
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Post by Heroine of the Dragon » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:50 pm

I haven't even made a single decision on any course of action, and already I'm made to justify my few observations.

Such is this game, I guess...
Wyborn wrote:I'm just going to clear the air a bit here because this air of mysticism surrounding ZeldaGirl and especially Hottie needs to be dispelled.

Do you know what killed the Mafia last roundd?

...

And the funny part?

ZeldaGirl and Hottie fell backwards into correct reasoning because they made a mistake early in the game that was so profound that I was thrown into a suspicious light for being the only person who RPed and didn't make that mistake (except ian)...Blake didn't make it, either, but they never got him on that point.

That's it. Beware the tendency to hero worship where there is none: if they are Mafia they will use it so shove a knife into your ribs.

You act like you know everything... but you forget that I forgot to copy/paste some of ZG and mine PMs or accidentally copied over them in my excitement and silliness.

AND you forget that I had a dossier. Which only one person has seen... and only after the third day because I deeted a lot of stuff, otherwise the 24 pages in MSWord would have likely been 40+. :p

ZG and I did ping Blake for his unidentifiable character, but I don't know if I kept that information either. *shrugs*

I am so in trouble if ZG is Mafia this time, because she's the only one to see more of how I think...

I was myself last game and I am myself this game. I don't see why I should play any different. I am who I am.

i_am_nobody wrote: HotD: Why are you so quick to go on the defensive now? It took a vote to get you to do that last round.

Because. Because I am EXTREMELY AWARE of how I'm being judged based on the LAST GAME!!! I imagine that all this talk about how wonderful I am is just feeding the Mafia's paranoia and I'll be hit "tonight". Since, I honestly expect that based on the wild assumptions being thrown about me, I'm going to have fun in the one day if it comes to that, at least.

I'm sorry if that doesn't answer your question. ;)

The Marilink Companion Cube wrote:It's not a matter of where you're leading us--it's a matter of the fact that you're leading us--period. Whether or not you're leading us into a trap is irrelevant, the fact that you're leading us at all--and how well you know it may work--it what's suspicious.

So, my FoS remains. Also to ZG, since that new evidence has popped up.

FoS: Hjots
FoS: ZG

Bee tee dubs, I can't always get to a computer, since I have to go to Computer lab or to the campus library, and when I'm supposed to be in the dorms at night that gets a little hard.

So I thought out loud... someone agreed with me... or didn't... so I am leading someone??

Care to quote my leading words?

I'd be interested in proof... otherwise, I'm agreeing with Rayman's first post defending me!!!!

Wyborn wrote:And so it comes down to this: delicious.



It mostly has to do with the fact that when Hottie speaks, several people tend to listen more than they would otherwise (CuccoLady is notable for this). It's a normal reaction to have to something like that. That claim isn't suspicious. What is suspicious is the fact that he says this about Hottie and ZG and then doesn't say it about me, when I've been as nasty and bull-headed as anyone so far and even convinced several people to start in on ZeldaGirl out of nowhere.

FoS: Marilink

You're kidding me, right??? So, you're trying to intimidate me into NOT speaking...? I have to wonder why, Wy??? I haven't said anything noteworthy that anyone would have listened to that would affect their thinking... but you're welcome to show me where I'm wrong there.

CuccoLady wrote:Anyway, I'd like to ask HotD one question: Why is it that you say FoSing wildly is so suspicious when that was one of the few things you did last game?

As for HotD, I thought it was a little odd that she was playing EXACTLY like last game, seeing as how the rest of us changed our ways. I KNOW that this could be simply because she is in the same position as last game and can thusly do the damage she did before; HOWEVER it could also be a good hiding tactic. After all, if she's mafia, her current behavior is a beautiful disguise.

To be honest, I don't really distrust TML or Hottie too much more than anyone else-- I just have more interesting things to say about them that could back up my FoS's, get responses that'll help my accusations, and start conversations that may get us somewhere.


That's all for now; I'll be active again later tonight. Sorry if I missed something important.

At least read my post before you ask me questions. :p I didn't say anything about "wild FoS" anywhere.

I did say wild accusations make me suspicous. If you're going to accuse me, at least show me the proof instead of making it up. It makes me highly suspicious of anyone who cannot be bothered to quote me when you're accusing me of stuffs. ANYONE can make up stuffs... especially the Mafia to have us townies get rid of one of our own. Mistakes matter... as we know.

WHY should I change? I'm me and I'm not changing just because "most everyone else" did... I'm comfortable in my role. I have much reason to be afraid of the Mafia considering how much EMPHASIS is being placed upon my ability to narrow my focus into searching for Mafia.

Daos wrote:HotD: You seem to be leading us again but I'm not sure I trust where you are leading us.

FoS: CL
FoS: Ian
FoS: Wyborn
FoS: HotD

Yes... and you were going to follow up that with your evidence by quoting me... right???? Right.


The Marilink Companion Cube wrote:Woah now, woah now, woah now.

Didn't expect all of this to turn on me, here.

Look, guys. I'm not voting for HotD or ZG, I'm just a little suspicious. Like Wy said, FoS's aren't official things, and I'm not trying to lynch them right away.

Now see here: Whether or not HotD and ZG have gained a following, I'm not sure. My FoS's are mainly just warding people away from being led. At least, to me, it was slightly obvious that those two gals were trying to get everyone in the game on their side.

I have no clue if they're mafia or townies. I mean, really, if I knew for sure, I would have voted for them, right? Just the fact that the two of them are being so vocal about everything leads me to put a watchful eye on them.

And to all you people who say HotD hasn't posted much, you're probably right...but she's said a lot in few words. To me, reading this topic it seemed as though whatever HotD said, people agreed, mostly on the principle that "oh, it's Hotster. She's cool, right?" Same goes for ZG, except she's been more vocal and overall an easier FoS to explain.

Now, Wy, on the other hand. Most of his posts have been math, people. The only vocal thing other than that was the TML matter, which is more or less resolved. Plus, he didn't have the "good guy last time" thing going for him, either.

I'm not trying to vote them out or trying to lynch them right now, people. What my FoS's were doing were trying to get people to forget the last friggin' round, because everything this time is brand spankin' new.

And since you all are bein' so hasty, I'ma retract my FoS, but I'm still watching those two.

Double post: Why did I say Brand spankin' new? I hate it when people say that.

Oh, and Rayman, please never give me a deadline of, like, 3 hours ever again. I'm in basketball and the musical, so I was pretty much really freaking lucky that I had a chance to get on the computer before you voted for me all willy-nilly. Giving me such a short time to explain myself is unfair to me.

Deadline of a day? Understandable.

That stuff I put in bold font; PROOOOOOOF??? Prove it. Quote all the damning evidence against me and prove your words are more than just fabrications to draw suspicion on to me and GET RID OF ME!!!

YOU ARE ACTING THE MOST SUSPICIOUS OF EVERYONE PLAYING RIGHT NOW!!!!!

The Marilink Companion Cube wrote:For all you Negative Nancies (ZG, Rayman, S_K)



My FoSes were simply to warn people away from blindly following you two. This is why I didn't FoS Wy--nobody would blatantly follow someone they recognize as a bad guy. I'll admit, maybe FoSing you was a little harsh to get the point across, but that's all I was trying to do. Wyborn wouldn't have that good guy point to go off of like you two would.

Basically, I'm stopping people from blindly following you two, while at the same time trying to get people to recognize Wy as someone they shouldn't simply discount. That's all I was trying to do. Seriously, ask my conscience--he'll tell you the exact same thing.

Apparently, I read into things differently than you do. Who's to say who's right about what people really meant, but I got certain impressions from these players:

1. You two gals seem to be trying to lead, much like the last game.
2. People seem to be willing to follow.
3. People seem to listen to you two over Wy, and this is possibly because of the last game.
4. People are basing opinions off the last game too much.

Do you see where I'm going? I don't want the blind leading the blind--or in a worse case, the smart leading the blind.

You guys were awfully quick to jump on an "FoS: ML" bandwagon. I understand why, I made a little mistake, but still.

And I know nobody has voted for anyone, and neither have I. I'm just trying to get a point across.

And so all of you more clearly understand, I'll bold the main idea of this post:

I FoS'd HotD and ZG so people wouldn't be so quick to heed everything they say. In retrospect, FoSing probably wasn't the smart thing to do and I should have actually explained myself in stead of taking the short route. I apologize for this. For more details, actually read the post.

Double post: et tu, ian? Come on, man, I thought we were tight.


Your bold stuff. XD Anyways, You are still suspicious and I'm not buying into your explanation until you provide proof of me leading anyone.


CuccoLady wrote:Well, I know that in THIS round it did say to defeat all evil... but seeing as how I was Ingo last round, I can't contribute to this.


Oh, and I'll admit it... I'm FoSing hottie with reasons mainly based off of last round. I hate myself for it, but it's really hard to shake those feelings... she's acting eerily similar to last round; I know it's a silly reason to FoS someone, but... eh.

Not to mention I figured FoSing was a good conversation starter, and lo and behold... I was right. We're getting lots of important discussion in; I can only hope it proceeds so well.

(Oh, and before any of you attack me for not retracting my HotD FoS, it's simply because it seemed to me she acted a bit more defensively when FoS'd than she did last game. Then again, there is a large chance I am wrong... heck, these are suspicions, not votes or anything... they're meant to portray small feelings toward somebody; nothing huge)


:rolleyes: Great reason to FoS me, CL!!!

I'm not changing just because you and Wy and whoever wants me to. I'm playing how I know best. I'm defensive BECAUSE YOU ARE JUDGING ME BASED ON A GAME THAT'S ENDED. And bah. :p



I'm just glad I'm not Mafia. Stop laughing at me you evil people!! :p

My thoughts lie around this... I need evidence of any accusations so I can answer them. If you cannot provide this, I have to WONDER LOUDLY what you're at? Are you Mafia nd need me out of the way? I'm not changing my game-play just because some of you are afraid of my leet skills of search and destroy IN THE PREVIOUS GAME!!!!!

I shouldn't HAVE to remind you all, BUT this game is different. More players, different dynamics and I'm just trying to survive a Mafia hit tonight because there are some people setting me up as the most influential player, which must be affecting how the Mafia feel about me. Thanks a lot for making me a target. :p I just have to hope the Mafia have another target in mind because they think they found a Hero. :D
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Post by Rayman FREAK » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:51 pm

Here's Blake's past quote:
Blake wrote:Well personally I believe the calculations are in good standing. However, I would guess that the odds are around 2 townies - 1 mafia.

There are about double the people in this game compared to last time. 50% of us being former players(about).

The chances of me, Wy, Daos, and CL of being Mafia is slim. So slim that I doubt any of us are even mafia this time around (maybe 1 at max).

The townies however is more difficult to calculate. There is greater chance that townies are playing the same role obviously.

So for now I'm going to dismiss CL, Wy, and Daos unless one of them does something I think is suspicious.
He was actually careful enough not to put himself in the list with the other mafia members, but the idea of the post is largely unchanged by this fact.

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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:55 pm

Actualy HotD, after recent events you are far in the clear (for now).

Retract FoS: HotD

Blake, I'm STILL waiting for you to answer ZG's inquiry.

Edit: Current FoS: ML, Blake, Wyborn

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Post by Booyakasha » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:57 pm

Sorry to interrupt. You cats find the needed replacements yet?
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Post by Apollo the Just » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:58 pm

It makes me highly suspicious of anyone who cannot be bothered to quote me when you're accusing me of stuffs
No, I don't WANT to quote you.

Wait..


....now on to the important matters. I KNOW my accusations of you are based off of the previous game; and I KNOW that I shouldn't do that; I ALSO know that you're being smarter than the rest of us. At any rate, I'm not really any more suspicious of you than anyone else right now... and I plan to do this:

Retract FoS: Hottie

because of it. At first, I FoS'd Hottie and TML because of petty reasons and, admittedly, I wanted to do something-- also it was a good way to get a conversation toing. As you saw, after my WILD ACCUSATIONS, people started getting into more discussion and we are starting to get somewhere... don't think I take all the credit, I'm just saying they helped start conversations.

However, now that there are others (BLAKE) whom I am suspicious of for legitimate reasons; and now that this is truel I don't feel the need to hang on to old petty feelings.

DON'T THINK I'VE TAKEN MY EYE OFF YOU, THOUGH.

I just don't find you as much of a suspicious threat as others right now.
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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:59 pm

I don't think he has found one yet, Boo. We would love to have you.

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Post by ZeldaGirl » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:00 pm

I believe we still need one more!

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Post by Apollo the Just » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:01 pm

Hmm... Blake, why aren't you defending yourself??? I see you here...


...then again, he's probably typing up some huge alibi as of now and, by the time I post this, it'll be up. If that is true, disregard this post... I just think that, if Blake doesn't post soon, he's getting more suspicious. Perhaps he's having a hard time developing a convincing argument??
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Post by Blake » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:01 pm

That statement I made can be interpreted many ways. It all depends on who you think slipped up thus far.

If I'm mafia then sure I do know who slipped up on my team.

But there's not to say whether I am aware of someone else's role or not.

Regardless, do you actually believe that all the mistakes today were all made by mafia? That'd be one rather clumsy mafia if you ask me.

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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:03 pm

Your still not helping your case any buddy.

(Wow, at first I was a bit sad I was not a bad guy again but being one of the good guys is FUN)

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Post by Heroine of the Dragon » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:04 pm

Well, thanks Daos...

I understand a FoS is not necessarily important to some... but to others, they will make a difference to their thinking patterns and that's exactly what the Mafia want us to do... convince others of someone's guilt even when there is obviously none. ;) :D
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Post by ZeldaGirl » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:05 pm

Blake wrote:That statement I made can be interpreted many ways. It all depends on who you think slipped up thus far.

If I'm mafia then sure I do know who slipped up on my team.

But there's not to say whether I am aware of someone else's role or not.

Regardless, do you actually believe that all the mistakes today were all made by mafia? That'd be one rather clumsy mafia if you ask me.

This is implying to me that you know, for sure, who certain people are and how they've messed up. And that does nothing really to ease my mind...

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Post by Daos » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:07 pm

Actually one of Blake's very first posts talked about how someone who was not mafia last time could not possibly be mafia again. Looking back even that throws his character into doubt.

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Post by Rayman FREAK » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:08 pm

Blake wrote:If I'm mafia then sure I do know who slipped up on my team.

But there's not to say whether I am aware of someone else's role or not.
Of course we can't know if you're aware of someone else's role, especially on the first day. That's why we point out things like what you said: we need some leads, and on day 1, all we have are our words.

In my opinion, your post was careless. I've posted my position on carelessness before, and here it is again:

Carelessness indicates Nervousness indicates Guilt. [/OPINION. This is what I believe, this is how I operate. If you don't like it, be more careful]

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