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The hardcore Dragon Ball fans like myself are confused over the way Power Levels are now being handled. Apparently Power Levels are relevant again, and it's a huge mess now after 15 years (or more if you consider they haven't been used in the series in any meaningful way since the end of the Frieza Saga). Akira Toriyama has apparently retconned Master Roshi to having always been about as strong as Krillin is currently (this creates all kinds of problems) and Frieza is stating that if he trains he can reach 1.3 million Power Level (even though his second form alone was over 1m, and his final was something like 120m).

The Frieza thing can be ignored more easily, because maybe he meant he can reach 1.3m in his base form, which on its own would make sense since he dropped in power after his death, and it was only ever 530,000 before...until you consider that he stopped Gohan's heart with one punch in base form. The only way to explain that away is to heavily rely on the fact that Gohan hasn't been training, but dropping below a million seems extremely unlikely. Another way of rectifying it is perhaps Frieza underestimated his potential growth and his base form actually gained much more.

However, the Master Roshi thing is just nearly inexcusable, it pretty much breaks the canon. It means he could have stomped every villain in DB all the way up to Vegeta without any effort, and could have even beat Ginyu.

I can see why people were afraid of diggin' DBZ back up from the grave...the only good news is this all pertains to the movies, which are being retold through the Dragon Ball Super anime and manga (each of which in themselves have significant differences already). Perhaps this will all be rectified.

It really only presents a big problem when you think about Demon King Piccolo. That is the only time Roshi was fighting was for serious keeps. The rest of the time he was not fighting seriously, but either handing out one sided defeats or teaching a lesson. After the Piccolo arc he really does not do much anymore.

Power levels are ******** anyway. Say no to power levels.

That's the main issue is King Piccolo, but it just makes no sense why he would allow Raditz to do as he pleases or allow Vegeta to destroy the Earth.

Ah, and Toriyama stated Golden Frieza's Power Level is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000. Yeah.

Much like Pokemon, I feel like some of the basic ideas of Dragon Ball (like power levels) kind of collapse in on themselves after a certain while. I didn't really enjoy this movie at all (or the first few episodes of DBS), so meh.

Well, aside from the inconsistencies, the only other problem I had was with the cast. Linda Young is Frieza as far as I am concerned, the new guy sounds terrible and annoying.

Was there anything specific you didn't like?

As for DBS, it's really slow for Dragon Ball, but still fun.

Well, the whole movie introduces a lot of problems for DBZ too. For instance, Frieza in Hell. It was quite different when he was shown there in DBZ. And Frieza should know that Goku fought Majin Buu because he was in Hell watching it with a bunch of other people and oni there.

^ I can't remember how Hell was depicted specifically but I think that scene where Frieza watched the Buu fight from Hell was filler.

I didn't like the fighting (aside from that brief moment it decided to recognize that Gohan is awesome), the ending was absurd even by Dragon Ball standards, and there was just generally no sense of tension. At no point did I feel like there was something that may not be overcome (like, say, Tree of Might).

I do like Beerus though. He brings much needed humor to the series.

^ Yeah, that was a common complaint from what I hear. There really was very little tension. If they at least had announced Whis' time control abilities prior to RoF then the scene in which Frieza destroys earth would have been much better.

It was almost like a fight from Dragon Ball made in the style of a DBZ fight. If that makes sense.

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1555980, member: 18119"]^ I can't remember how Hell was depicted specifically but I think that scene where Frieza watched the Buu fight from Hell was filler.[/QUOTE]

Which means that Kai probably leaves it out.

^ If I'm correct then, yeah, Kai probably does leave it out. I wouldn't know since I hardly watched any Kai, didn't like it.

Power levels in Dragon Ball seem to me like the kind of thing writers accidentally screwed themselves with once they realized that the audience was paying more attention to its "continuity" than they were lol

(See also: LoZ timeline arguments)

Power Levels were something that made more sense during the beginning of the series when the earlier villains had something to gloat over.

I mean, yeah, they did it constantly. But it was this sense of control Frieza's army had when it came to power. They always knew enemy potential and measured it so they'd never be caught off guard. But then someone shattered these expectations and they would go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!" Plus it had a pretty good payoff when you learned that Frieza couldn't sense power levels by himself.

Bringing it back this late in the game seems a little pointless now. It's only because Frieza's back.