Goku: Who's stronger than him?!

[Metal Man]

DBZ Dan Hibiki.

I'd link you the video, but he appears to curse nonstop while using Nightmare Broli's animations and shooting death.

[Wyborn]

A guy leaves for a few weeks and you guys go bonkers. Who the Hell is everyone?

Why was I linked to this topic

Get off my lawn

[PK FIRE!]

Who you telling to get off the lawn?

Heh Winner Kefka!

- You stupid dog!

[Galefore]

By that token, who cares if Wyborn agrees that Ganon would ass**** Goku:

Vash the Stampede, at full capacity, no remorse, and with both angel arms, can blow up three planets in a row with a single shot. As such, Vash > Goku.

[PK FIRE!]

Heh I didn't know that though I haven't seen Trigun but from what i've hear Vash is a pretty pacifistic guy.

- You stupid dog!

[Galefore]

I made a note of "without remorse". If you remove his conscience, he would win.

In other words, use Knives, as Knives would more easily ass**** Goku and wouldn't cry about it.

[Metal Man]

I forget... Agent Smith would probably kill Goku and shrug afterwards, perhaps even assimilating him instead and becoming all-powerful

[Deepfake]

I dunno Xman, Onslaught or anyone Hiroyuki mentioned so to be fair, state their strongest feat for me.

Nate Grey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

X-Man has the ability to tap into the enormous psychic resources of the astral plane in order to manipulate matter and energy. This grants him incredible psychic powers including telepathy and telekinesis. He can use his telepathy to read minds and even read residual thought imprints left on objects touched by people (psychometry), communicate with others by broadcasting his thoughts, control minds, create illusions by altering the perceptions of others, fire psionic blasts that can scramble an opponent's thought processes (causing the victim either intense pain, or rendering them unconscious), project his mind into the astral plane and even pull the astral projections of other telepaths into the physical world, and sense dimensional rifts or anomalies.

His telekinesis allows him to move, levitate, and manipulate matter by using his thoughts, create defensive shields by focusing his telekinetic energies around himself and others, and channel his psychic powers into explosive psionic force blasts. By levitating himself, he can fly at amazing speeds, and he can phase through solid matter by mentally shifting the object's molecules around his as he moves forward. His mental fine motor skills are so acute that he can mentally manipulate dust particles and water vapor to refract lightwaves and create holograms. He also has creative uses of his powers such as using his telekinesis to channel the Earth's magnetic field through the electrocurrent of his brain and generate devastating electromagnetic pulses. X-Man even learned that he could use his telekinesis to transport himself into other dimensions by mentally bending the dimensional barriers that separate one reality from another.

One of the most impressive moments that displayed Nate's powers was when he easily trounced Exodus, whom he was known to match in telepathic ability[1], a mutant with vast psionic powers who had previously managed to simultaneously defeat the combined efforts of the X-Men and the Avengers in combat;crush Genosha via a force field; mentally resist Professor X's mental attacks;immobilise Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Jean Grey and crystal in a force field; amplify the hatred of Genoshan mutants for humans and shield himself from physical attacks[2].

This defeat left Exodus humiliated - especially since he is centuries old while Nate was only 16 (he confirms himself to be physically 17 later on) [3]. In addition, an alternate version of Jean Grey, Queen Jean, described Nate Grey as the ultimate telekinetic with the statement; "It is what all Nate Greys have been on every earth"[4]. This, in addition with his telepathy, makes X-Man one of the most powerful mutants in Marvel history, among such company as, Franklin Richards, Jean Grey, Mad Jim Jaspers, and Hyperstorm.Upon examination by Moira Mactaggert, an expert in the field of genetics and mutation, she suggested his psionic powers could rival that of a Phoenix Force-imbued Jean Grey[5][6].

Onslaught (comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Onslaught possesses immense telepathy and telekinesis, could project psi-blasts of devastating force, assume total mental control, induce illusions, mental or physical paralysis, and able to alter one's perception. He was especially powerful on the astral plane. Onslaught was also capable of manipulating magnetic fields. Another demonstration of his raw power, was when Onslaught ripped the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak out of the supposedly indestructible Juggernaut's body, and his tremendous power of energy manipulation was also demonstrated when he integrated Franklin Richards into himself, who is beyond an Omega-Level mutant and has been stated by Roma to be Celestial level even in his current childlike age. After fully evolving into his own, separate consciousness, Onslaught combined Franklin Richards' vast reality-altering powers with his own, and his powers were increased to virtually omnipotent level. At that level he was even able to create a new sun. Onslaught stated that he could geometrically increase his strength by will. [14] He knocked the Juggernaut, literally, across North America. He was also able to go toe-to-toe in a physical fight with an enraged "Savage" Hulk, although the Hulk was able to rip his armor off and overpower him.

And since the entry on Nathan Grey brings up the subject, I had best mention the Phoenix.

Jean Grey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Phoenix can revive, absorb, re-channel, and preserve the life-force of any kind of life-form, meaning that she can take life energy from one person and give it to others, heal herself with the same life energy, or even resurrect the dead, since the Phoenix is the sum of all life and death. As Phoenix, Jean's powers escalate to an incalculable level: allowing her to rearrange matter at a subatomic level, fly unaided through space, survive in any atmosphere, and generate massive destructive blasts and atmospheric disturbances. She has Cosmic pyrokinesis power, which allows her to create, control, and manipulate cosmic fire which is very strong. Note that her cosmic fire is not dependent on oxygen, which means that she can ignite it under seemingly impossible conditions such as vacuum space or underwater. Her cosmic fire burns enemies by molecules, aided by her power to control molecularity. So, her cosmic fire will burn her enemies until they die or she extinguishes it by her own will. She manifests a "telekinetic sensitivity" (called "the Manifestation of the Phoenix") to objects in her immediate environment that lets her feel the texture of objects, their molecular patterns, feel when other objects come into contact with them, and probe them at a molecular level. She can also create stargates that can transport her to anywhere in the universe instantaneously. When she engages her Phoenix powers, Jean is surrounded in a flame-like energy corona that takes the form of a large bird of prey. As the Phoenix, Jean can resurrect herself after death and is unaffected by the passage of time. It should be noted that she isn't "borrowing" the powers of the Phoenix Force (as is perceived by some due to the fact that Jean was a host for the Force); Death itself has said that Jean is the rightful owner of those powers.[43] Further evolution allowed her to actually become one with the Phoenix Force (as opposed to serving as its host) due to her status as an Omega-level mutant with unlimited potential, in which it was revealed that Jean was the White Phoenix of the Crown.[44] As the White Phoenix, Jean can manipulate and control whole time-lines, as seen when she brought the alternate future of Here Comes Tomorrow into the White-Hot Room.[45]

[Galefore]

I forgot the Phoenix. She'd rip Goku to shreds.

[Deepfake]

I'd also like to mention Raistlin Majere.

Raistlin Majere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He became a god of destruction, even as a human.

[VG_Addict]

Thanos the Mad Titan would kick Goku's ass even WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet.

[Wyborn]

Interesting point of fact: Nate Grey, Onslaught, and the Phoenix are all also incredibly stupid.

Since my opinion on Ganondorf isn't really relevant here (I guess?) I'm going to point out that Unicron, depending on the continuity you pick, is the size of Saturn, has already eaten the entire universe at least once (and is therefore capable of devouring black holes without suffering damage), and is capable of fighting a warrior created specifically to kill him by the sentient core of the universe and winning 100% of the time. That is not a fair fight.

[PK FIRE!]

Its valid, however the fight over who you would agree with got annoying is all.

- You stupid dog!

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

I may need to do a couple posts to cover ALL of this...

1. Kefka came close but he can't get his first move outta the gate before a speed of light Goku is in his face with a Kamehameha = death. 2. Cheap ass Unicron, well, what Wy described sounds like a breach of the rules to me. 3. According to what I'm hearing, Super Man can only die with kryptonite and "red sun people" and therefore is out. 4.Onslaught had trouble with Hulk but can beat GOKU?! YEAH RIGHT! Hulk slowly destroys tanks well enough but even NAPPPA can do it better!

[PK FIRE!]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but as I recall goku was NEVER one to throw the first punch in DBZ. He ALWAYS tried to stettle things through diplomicy first. Because of this he would try to reason with kekfa allowing said crazy god of magic the chance to attack, thus Kefka still has a fighting chance at winning.

Superman gets his power from the solar radiation of our yellow sun because he was born under a red sun. I don't know if Magic can kill him but it can weaken him. The red suneffect can be duplicated through causing the refraction of particles in our atmoshpear to replace the blue sky with a red sky.

- You stupid dog!

[Galefore]

Man, you ignored my Vash and/or Knives argument. They are not a breach of the rules, as they are killable, but they are still stronger.

But I'm sure you'll argue and say it's against the rules. If this topic is about deciding who is stronger than Goku or who could whoop his ass in a fight, you shouldn't even have rules. You just seem to shoot down everyone else's favorite character whenever we propose an option. Oh, and some advice: if you don't know who someone is, do some research. It'll help you out.

Oh, and Kratos.

KRATOS.

****ING GOD OF WAR KRATOS.

He would win. Hands down.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

5. Phoenix can revive? Even if there is NOTHING left of her? I thought not. 6. Nate Grey? You guys all forget these characters wouldn't even see Goku coming...even if they could touch him, his speed is unsurpassed. 6. Vash? Is that a joke? Guns can kill him. He can destroy 3 planets? Wow, Kid Buu destroyed how many now...? 7.Dan Hibiki? From Street Fighter...? 8. Agent Smith? Explain please. 9. Goku couldn't control his ape form but had complete control of his SSj4 powers.

[Galefore]

6. Vash? Is that a joke? Guns can kill him. He can destroy 3 planets? Wow, Kid Buu destroyed how many now...?

You're a ****ing *******. You know that? That's not how you have a nerd debate, you're supposed to ****ing give me reasons. You're just acting like a fantard. Vash, in his fullest of angers, would blast Goku's little overpowered existence into next week. Oh, and he's faster. I promise, he would out-speed Goku without trying.

And on that note, it looks like you've gone from "OH YOU CANT KILL HIM NO FAIR BAWWWW" to "OH HE CAN BE KILLED BY NORMAL WEAPONS THATS TOO EASY BAWWWW".

And, remember...

KRATOS.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

I ignored no arguments and I am merely saying some characters can't hold water (like Kratos) vs Goku. I have rules since Ryuk for example would be unstoppable making this no fun. PK, you are right about Goku never killing unless he has to but theoretically he's THE best warrior. I outlaw invincible characters and such but Goku CAN be killed, he is NOT invincible. No special circumstances like "kryptonite" are needed. Ya just need to be a bigger badass. Goku is fair, Ryuk is not. THOSE are fair rules eh?

[Galefore]

But you shoot down characters that could feasibly have a chance and have weaknesses, like Vash, Phoenix, and Kratos.

Kratos could win after he is given the greatest of powers he receives in the course of the games. While Goku is busy doing a stereotypical anime monologue, Kratos would mercilessly cut him to shreds.