^^WHich in itself is ridiculous, because by that logic they should have planets orbiting around
them and other such nonsense. The fact that DRagon Ball as a logical fantasy series being retarted notwithstanding, I'll move on.
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! wrote:Erdawn, if Bat Man used the Dragon Balls to summon Shenron in a fight with Goku, that would count as 2 on 1.
As far as generic green Hulk goes, the one that I am familiar with, I cannot perceive a circumstance in which Hulk could ever defeat Goku.
Sentry's gonna need more than 2 seconds of future knowledge to win a fight. As an example, Bardock forseen future events and Frieza still killed him regardless.
Also, no FF party character could EVER take on Goku 1-on-1. Just like they could never defeat a final boss 1-on-1. They rely on each other to survive, thats FF.
Also, this Manhatten dude sounds like a surefire disqualification...but forget that for now, tell me about him, his offensive and defensive power, I'm curious.
PK, Naruto still is much less intelligent and has comparitively no experience when sat near Goku. Also, his abilities are mainly close combat giving Goku the edge by far.
Your Batman argument is ridiculous. We're theorising that Batman would be faced against Goku. Goku is super-human, those are his qualities - he's a Saiyajin alien or whatever, he can "move at the speed of light"(I disregard this completely, by the way, just because the mindless characters of Dragonball Z suggest this and the series seeming lack of any logical consistence damn that very statement as nothing more than ignorant banter not to be taken at face-value - the repercussions of moving "at the speed of light" are neither taken into consideration or even hinted at, and thus are not a factor) and ****ing blows planets up by looking at them. You are facing him off against a regular, mortal human being. You either have no concept of how a ****ing death-match is wrong or just fail. In order to actually pit Batman off against Goku you have to factor in his limitations with his abilities - like I stated, in order to level the playing field, Batman would have to be prepared to win the battle - that would include everything up to summoning SHenron to ****ing turn Goku into a regular mortal like him or some other drastic measure, to building an army of robots to fight Goku for him (in the manner he protects Gotham while disabled and aged in the what-if Kingdom Come continuity). If anything, this death-match is made even more stupid because for all intents and purposes if Batman were a normal human being in the Dragonball universe (which is nonsensical) his abilities, taking into consideration the commitment and discipline of his training regime and martial arts mastery, would probably exceed most of the show's cast excluding the rare deus-sex-machina 'alien race' argument.
In regards to the Hulk, that wasn't even a ****ing argument. FOr all intents and purposes you cannot conceive of the Hulk ever beating Goku? How? Why? Theorise! I just planely stated that the Hulk's wrath is the only limit to his power, and it is a constant staple in the Marvel series to broadly state that the madder he gets, the more powerful he gets. The Hulk is pretty much one of the greatest forces of nature in that continuity. His own leg-strenght has grown to the point where in a single leap he can launch himself into the statosphere from stationary - and he's not using "ki" to fly, that just
muscle capacity. Not to mention regenerative capabilities. His limitless potential has squared him off against The Sentry, who is the real powerhouse behind this argument, Superman not withstanding
Moving on to the actual Sentry, I cannot even begin to start at how badly this character would demolish Goku in any standing contest. When I said he existed two seconds in the future I meant it in the way I phrased it - The Sentry litterally exists in the present but all-together two seconds
in the future, I do not mean he can "predict" events which may come about two seconds in the future, I mean he's
there. A sucker-punch from Goku would be parried and turned away by the logic that The Sentry would have had
two full seconds knowledge of that incoming attack, in a kind of time-loop from present to future and back. Half his existance is actually dictated by events in the present. Consider it a kind of charm. His power - measured in something like the exploding of one billion suns in a single instant - is so terrible he needs to exert most of that power to contain himself in a mortal, physical form. Imagine, for a second, that kind of power unleashed - and not merely buried away. We're talking Goku confetti at the atomic level. and I re-iterate again - his very existance -
by natural law - creates the ultimate antagonist - The Void - by rule of mathematical balance. He's as much responsible for Good as Evil because his presence is so one-sided to the forces of Good that the cosmic balance of reality needs to measure itself out.
Dr. Manhattan actually
pales in comparason, and we're talking about an omniscient being who exists in all tenses of the time-stream. He's actually right out because we're not even talking about a physical contest.
Also, again, you're working under an assumption (towards FF characters) that the visual constraints of time-based battles actually have relevance on what would actually be happening in real time based off the numerical values of attributes and all that jazz. A maxed out character in say, FF7, would be moving faster than a ****ing hummingbird, hitting with enough strenght to uproot mountain-ranges, and depending on the materia-combination operating around rules of reality to allow for pre-emptive engagements, counter-attacks, parries, and overpowering regardless of the circumstance. And that's not mention the unleashing of potentially world-shattering summon-power.
As a last note - Dragonball pitted against stuff like, say, the Marvel universe is laughable because your essentially pitting a cartoon series with a complete disregard for physics and natural law (say, the disregard of the consequences or even power required to destroy and actual ****ing planet, the disappreciation of what a planet actually is, physics, all that jazz) versus a series that does - and then scientifically overrides them. If the Sentry blows up a Planet, for example, that is absolutely catastrophic and yet still feasible and impressive. If Goku does it, we are reminded that Dragonball Z is a cartoon.
Also, other candidates? Spawn would destroy Goku without contest, and so would Luke Skywalker. I am ending this now to free up the computer. Otherwise I would argue you into an early grave.
Your point.
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